Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - prizes
Andrew Turvey wrote: Thank you for your patience with us whilst we have processed these photographs, and we hope you enjoyed participating in this event. If you have any comments about this event or how it could be improved in the future, please let us know. *Look at the calendar* Hmm -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - prizes
Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: From: Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, 15 August, 2009 02:29:51 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - prizes Andrew Turvey wrote: Thank you for your patience with us whilst we have processed these photographs, and we hope you enjoyed participating in this event. If you have any comments about this event or how it could be improved in the future, please let us know. *Look at the calendar* Hmm Indeed. Uploading of photographs finished at the end of February. It was decided by the organizers that awarding of prizes would wait until after all the photographs had been individually assessed by museum staff for copyright validity etc. Given the quantity of photos this has taken quite a very long time to finish. The recent Dutch Wiki Loves Art contest had a prize awarding event in the calendar from the start, which I think is a good idea. I think next time we should talk to the museums about awarding prizes before all the images are assessed. Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - prizes
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art?
2009/3/22 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: At 15:16 -0700 20/3/09, Cary Bass wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm supposed to be one of the judges. I found out that it's a lot of work assessing 6,300 images and haven't yet found much time for it. Cary This whole project has really been thought through... I have just read through the rules again and it does seem like a rather big project! I would offer my services and help people like Cary assessing the images, but I don't know how to and even if I would qualify to do so, having not been involved in anything like this before?! Good luck to you all! Isabell -- Regards, Isabell Long. isabell...@gmail.com [[User:Isabell121]] on all public Wikimedia projects. OpenPGP Key ID: C395CE07 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art?
2009/3/22 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: This whole project has really been thought through... It got a bucketload of images, so it achieved its aims ;-p - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art?
At 08:45 + 23/3/09, David Gerard wrote: 2009/3/22 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: This whole project has really been thought through... It got a bucketload of images, so it achieved its aims ;-p - d. Yup! But then so did the FLICKR bots who trawled FLICKR for images with a suitable licence (does this still happen?) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art?
At 15:16 -0700 20/3/09, Cary Bass wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm supposed to be one of the judges. I found out that it's a lot of work assessing 6,300 images and haven't yet found much time for it. Cary This whole project has really been thought through... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm supposed to be one of the judges. I found out that it's a lot of work assessing 6,300 images and haven't yet found much time for it. Cary Gordon Joly wrote: What happened to Wikipedia Loves Art? http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art Did I win? :D Gordo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJxBWzyQg4JSymDYkRAnIzAJ9EArn6gIwwkfFmm16Hc5Ovb7rz+wCgoObw QUa/Ua1zQUjPwLC/8f66C6Y= =z8IK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art?
Thanks for the nudge! I've been in touch with the organisers at the Brooklyn; they are currently working through each of the 11,528 images to check they are all copyright-compliant and otherwise ok. They haven't been able to tell me when they'll be finished, but I'll keep hassling them! Hope to be able to announce our winners by the middle of April. regards, On Mar 20, 9:11 am, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: What happened to Wikipedia Loves Art? http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art Did I win? :D Gordo -- Think Feynman/http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.orghttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK:http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - the Goal List!
Andrew, could I have the source for that PDF. We need to include sponsors names/logos and prize details. I also need to include the moo promotion code. Tom -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l- boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of AndrewRT Sent: 31 January 2009 13:29 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art - the Goal List! The Wikipedia Loves Art project will start tomorrow, Sunday 1st February, with a launch event at the Victoria and Albert Museum at 1pm. The goal list has now been published at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:w...@v%26a#prizes Hope as many of you can come along as possible - and happy snapping! Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art
On Jan 10, 10:56 am, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: How does that sound? Complicated... Can you suggest any ways of making it simpler? ...and the competitor cannot control stage 2. So it is no longer a scavenger hunt at that stage, Yes, I spoke to Pharos about this previously - he though it would be best to keep the competition restricted to stage 1. Stage 2 is still important of course otherwise wikipedia doesn't get to benefit from the photos and everyone is welcome to join in! there may be wrangling... if the other parties don't like the images (not the judges). Yes - that's the main reason why Pharos thought it best not to have the competetion at this stage. And I thought that this was a team competition. http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/ Shoot on your own or create a small team (10 people, tops) and sign-up online (posted soon). Yes I forgot that bit, you can also do it in a team if you prefer. Is the V A competition a solo effort? No. It's a bit complicated and personally I feel like I'm being pulled in all directions! The project is being organised by the Brooklyn Museum in New York, who have asked other museums to get involved. Pharos is coordinating the wikipedia side in New York and globally; the VA are organising (although I'm not sure exactly what at this stage) the London launch event on 1st Feb and my job is to advertise the London event among the WP community and get as many people along as possible! Points will be added up and prizes given to the different teams who participate at the different museums. Hope that's a little clearer! Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art
At 14:23 -0800 8/1/09, AndrewRT wrote: On Jan 7, 9:41 pm, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Now, where are the rules of the game? Gordo The skeleton of the rules of the game are outlined on the wikipedia project page (en:WP:WLART) and the Flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/ groups/wikipedia_loves_art/) Quite a few of the details are still missing - some just not expressed and up to be decided. I had a fairly detailed conversation with Pharos last week and many of these details are set but just not put on paper yet! Or online. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art
At 14:23 -0800 8/1/09, AndrewRT wrote: On Jan 7, 9:41 pm, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Now, where are the rules of the game? Gordo The skeleton of the rules of the game are outlined on the wikipedia project page (en:WP:WLART) and the Flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/ groups/wikipedia_loves_art/) Quite a few of the details are still missing - some just not expressed and up to be decided. I had a fairly detailed conversation with Pharos last week and many of these details are set but just not put on paper yet! From various discussions, the outline seems to be: People are invited to take photos, within the rules of the particular institution. For instance, the VA say no tripods, no photos in temporary exhibitions (these are marked on the museum guide) and none of work created by artists who are alive or who died within 70 years (a precise statement of their rules will be posted to the wiki soon); as most of their collection is older than 200 years, the last isn't much of a problem as long as you keep away from the modern sections. If you take a photo of an item, please make your next photo a photo of the label so we can catalogue. People will be given a list of about 50 themes. For instance if the theme is politician (not giving anything away here!), you would get a point for a photograph of a sculture of a politician. You can get a maximum of three points per theme so the most you could get is 150 points. A photo cannot count to more than one theme. Once taken, please upload the photo of the item and the label to flickr. Add a name, description and tag VA. Also tag the theme that applies to the photo. Crop, rotate, sharpen or otherwise edit it within flickr as necessary; Change the license to CC-Attribution or CC- Attribution-ShareAlike. Then add it to the WLA group. I've just noticed incidentally that flickr has an upload limit of 100MB per month for free accounts. My 6mp camera creates photos about 0.5 to 2 MB in size meaning I expect to get around 100 photos for that (50 images plus 50 tags). Is this likely to cause a problem? Can you get round it by just creating three accounts? Or should we say people can alternatively just upload the photo of the item, as long as you transcribe the label onto the description? Each museum will go round each photo tagged to them and check it complies with their restrictions (e.g. living artists). I'm not sure at the moment whether they will remove non-compliant images from the group or tag them and ask the photographer to remove them from the group. Either way they will still be there on the person's own photostream so there's no loss if we need to reverse it. Also I'm not sure whether someone will go round positively tagging those that appear to be compliant. We will also contact users who haven't applied a wikipedia-compatible license to ask them to change it. All photos must be uploaded with the right tags and license by the end of February to get any points. Once all this is done, we'll tot up the points and announce the results. The three people who get the most points will each win a prize. The person with the most points will also win the prize from Wikipedia Loves Art, which is to nominate their favourite artist and a group of wikpedians will create a Good Article on the artist. We'll then ask people to nominate what they think is the best addition to wikipedia, have a vote and the winner of that will also get a prize. Employees of the VA and Board members of Wiki UK Ltd are not eligible for prizes but are still welcome to take part! After that, comes stage 2 which is to identify photos that would be useful on wikipedia. I would expect to see a number of repeat images, so we should try to identify the best photos. This is probably best done by adding comments to the photo in the group. Once this is done, transfer them to Commons using a tool like http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload and link into articles. Also add a category like Wikipedia Loves Art so we can keep track on the lasting impact we're having. This will all be done in March/April. ok, how does that sound? Is this plan going to work? Is there a better way of doing things? What other details need to be decided to make this project work? regards, Andrew Thanks Andrew. How does that sound? Complicated, and the competitor cannot control stage 2. So it is no longer a scavenger hunt at that stage, there may be wrangling... if the other parties don't like the images (not the judges). And I thought that this was a team competition. http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/ Shoot on your own or create a small team (10 people, tops) and sign-up online (posted soon). Is the V A competition a solo effort? Gordon -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art
Now, where are the rules of the game? Gordo Why do I ask? Easy - I have suffered too many deletes from Commons of images that I created of work of arts. I have stopped submitting much at all to Commons, since I cannot be sure that I am submitting permissible work. So, this competition is going to be populated with people (like me) who don't know that I cannot take a picture of art work in a temporary exhibition and submit it to Commons. I know that the rules for Wikipedia are different, which was was why I asked about the primary submission site - would it be Commons or Wikipedia. FLICKR does not have any GFDL options: everything is submitted under Creative Commons Licence, or full copyright. Three of the options are incompatible with Commons: Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs Creative Commons See http://www.flickr.com/account/prefs/license/ (you will have to login). A scavenger hunt works best where there is some freedom to interpret the rules, bend them, extend them etc. And have fun. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art Wiki UK Ltd
From my understanding of the situation, the most basic thing we can do is to act as a link between the Museum(s) and Wikipedia/et al., to make sure that the fledgling alliance between the two does well and continues in the future, and that there are no misunderstandings. We could also get more museums or other collections involved (e.g. perhaps historical houses?), and do our best to raise the profile of the event, to maximise the number of people who get involved, and also those that hear about it (e.g. put it in the newsletter, mention it around the wikis where UK-based people hang out, possibly even get it mentioned in the press, magazines, etc.) There is a lot that can be done just with the expenditure of time, without requiring finances. That said, I like your ideas, but with some modifications. It would be better if we could find someone to provide a prize, rather than purchase and provide one ourselves - for example, is there an art print shop that would consider providing some prints? It might be good to focus things on a single day (whilst stressing that the event is continuing over a month); for example, have a launch day for the event. First and foremost, though, we should get in contact with the Victoria and Albert museum, and ask if there's anything we can do to help, ask if they have any questions about how the project will run, find out what resources they will be committing to the project, find out whether they'll allow tripods, etc. The most important thing is to start talking with them. Mike On 28 Nov 2008, at 23:26, Andrew Turvey wrote: I was having a think about this project and I wondered what the nascent UK chapter could easily do to help out for this. Two ideas sprang to mind: 1) Looking at Wikipedia Loves Art on flikr, it mentions Teams with the most points at the end of the month will get cool prizes (http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/). Could/ should Wiki UK maybe put up a prize for the best team at the Victoria Albert? Say budget £50 and get a gift (somthing like this maybe: http://www.vandashop.com/product.php?xProd=142s=1 with a message from the chapter?) 2) Alternatively, if we arranged a particular day where a group of wikipedians went down to capture images from the VA, could we maybe do something where we had a reception and served coffee and sandwiches to people who had come down for it? Has anyone done anythign like this before? Do you know what kind of thing would work? Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia Loves Art Wiki UK Lt
2008/11/28 Andrew Turvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was having a think about this project and I wondered what the nascent UK chapter could easily do to help out for this. Two ideas sprang to mind: 1) Looking at Wikipedia Loves Art on flikr, it mentions Teams with the most points at the end of the month will get cool prizes (http://www.flickr.com/groups/wikipedia_loves_art/). Could/should Wiki UK maybe put up a prize for the best team at the Victoria Albert? Say budget £50 and get a gift (somthing like this maybe: http://www.vandashop.com/product.php?xProd=142s=1 with a message from the chapter?) 2) Alternatively, if we arranged a particular day where a group of wikipedians went down to capture images from the VA, could we maybe do something where we had a reception and served coffee and sandwiches to people who had come down for it? Has anyone done anythign like this before? Do you know what kind of thing would work? Both those ideas involve spending money. How about we stick to plans that don't involve money until we actually have some? ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
