Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
Hello all, I know there has been some discussion about a Wiki Loves Monuments in the UK, but I have heard little back after that. I think there is definitely a lot of potential in the UK for setting up a project like this, and hope that it would be possible to find the volunteers to run this in the coming time. Who can take the lead on this in the UK? Please see http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesmonuments/2011-January/01.html for my email and offer to join a brainstorm session if there would be need/advantage for that. If that would help, I am more than happy to join you guys somewhere reachable in a conversation on how to make this happen. I got the suggestion the coming up London Meetup might be helpful. Are there many interested people from outside London? Would Wikimedia UK be able and willing to set up a meeting there and to reimburse for example some travel costs for those outside London to join the meeting? Just shooting some suggestions here, I'm sure you can come up with better :) Do remind please that to make this work, you really have to give this a start in February, or it will be very hard to have the lists and systems in place in time. I look forward to your positive and constructive replies! Lodewijk Gelauff 2010/12/15 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: Forwarding with permission of the sender. I'm very eager to see the UK and Ireland participate in this if possible, but from my experience of running Britain Loves Wikipedia I'm very aware that this needs a team of people running it rather than just one person. So: is anyone interested in leading/helping with this project? Thanks, Mike Begin forwarded message: From: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Date: 14 December 2010 20:20:15 GMT To: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed subscription) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe? Reply-To: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination \(closed subscription\) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org Summary of this email (sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. Please feel free to forward to whomever you find appropriate. You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect. So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now. Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all Rijksmonumenten (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the Rijksmonumenten project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's. In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments. For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The Rijksmonumenten project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost. So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
On 17/12/2010 04:05, geni wrote: On 15 December 2010 20:03, Michael Peelem...@mikepeel.net wrote: Forwarding with permission of the sender. I'm very eager to see the UK and Ireland participate in this if possible, but from my experience of running Britain Loves Wikipedia I'm very aware that this needs a team of people running it rather than just one person. So: is anyone interested in leading/helping with this project? I assume the UK equiv would be listed buildings. Perhaps we could interest geograph and piggy back on that? Geograph would be a good place to start. As would English Heritage, which absorbed the old (1908) Royal Commission on Historical Monuments: I have their stonking volumes surveying Cambridge. Geograph goes by grid square, which is a sensible enough system. We know this would take collaboration. Also the UK is very rich in the basic material. Wishlists sorted by grid square looks like the first structure to set up. Browsing what is already on Geograph is a good idea, to prevent duplication of effort. (Geograph images are already being uploaded to Commons; progress report on that would help. But searching Geograph is probably easier than searching Commons categories?) Starting with lists: obviously it would not be that hard for the UK wiki to host tables logging what had been done. This kind of progress check is likely the key to getting large-scale collaboration. So I'd suggest pages on the UK wiki set up in parallel with the subcategories of [[Category:Wikipedians in England]], [[Category:Wikipedians in Scotland]] etc. on WP. E.g. circulate [[Category:Wikipedians in Tyne and Wear]] (26 of them) with details of a page set up for Tyne and Wear. The messages on User talk pages can be done by AWB, I believe. Anyway, enough to think about. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
On 17 December 2010 08:55, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Geograph would be a good place to start. As would English Heritage, which absorbed the old (1908) Royal Commission on Historical Monuments: I have their stonking volumes surveying Cambridge. Geograph goes by grid square, which is a sensible enough system. English Heritage would probably point out that from their POV it has already been done: http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/ Which will be the problem you face with dealing with any traditional organization. Thus geograph. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
On 17/12/2010 20:54, geni wrote: On 17 December 2010 08:55, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Geograph would be a good place to start. As would English Heritage, which absorbed the old (1908) Royal Commission on Historical Monuments: I have their stonking volumes surveying Cambridge. Geograph goes by grid square, which is a sensible enough system. English Heritage would probably point out that from their POV it has already been done: http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/ Which will be the problem you face with dealing with any traditional organization. Thus geograph. Well, it's all pretty interesting. I have started some sort of page about it all, for my home county: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Loves_Cambridgeshire_Monuments Not knowing much about this, I went to the National Monuments Register download area (requires a nosy sort of registration, but that's all). They do six categories of monuments, for which Scheduled Monuments (about 18000) might be what some people meant. The data download is of size 15,706,462 kb. Do people really still think in bits? Even so, it's two gigabytes? And that's the zipped version Also on offer: Listed Buildings (350,000) at 27,735,218 kbm is even bigger. Others are noticeably smaller: Battlefields, Parks and Gardens; Scheduled Monuments; World Heritage Sites. The last of those might be relevant? But can anyone explain http://www.ukworldheritage.org.uk/? This all to get GIS data, to get a handle on the issue. Well, if someone knows how to handle such files and subdivide them, these might become a valuable resource. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
Keep me posted - I'm hopeless at taking pics but might help in the east midlands Roger On 15 December 2010 20:21, Parul BavIshi parul.bavi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm happy to help. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2010, at 20:03, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Forwarding with permission of the sender. I'm very eager to see the UK and Ireland participate in this if possible, but from my experience of running Britain Loves Wikipedia I'm very aware that this needs a team of people running it rather than just one person. So: is anyone interested in leading/helping with this project? Thanks, Mike Begin forwarded message: *From: *Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org lodew...@effeietsanders.org *Date: *14 December 2010 20:20:15 GMT *To: *Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed subscription) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org interna...@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject: **[Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?* *Reply-To: *Local Chapters, board and officers coordination \(closed subscription\) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org interna...@lists.wikimedia.org *Summary of this email *(sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. *Please feel free to forward* to whomever you find appropriate. You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect. So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now. Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all Rijksmonumenten (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the Rijksmonumenten project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's. In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments. For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The Rijksmonumenten project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost. So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland. Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes. You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be. Most of the local work would be
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
On 15 December 2010 20:03, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Forwarding with permission of the sender. I'm very eager to see the UK and Ireland participate in this if possible, but from my experience of running Britain Loves Wikipedia I'm very aware that this needs a team of people running it rather than just one person. So: is anyone interested in leading/helping with this project? I assume the UK equiv would be listed buildings. Perhaps we could interest geograph and piggy back on that? -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
Forwarding with permission of the sender. I'm very eager to see the UK and Ireland participate in this if possible, but from my experience of running Britain Loves Wikipedia I'm very aware that this needs a team of people running it rather than just one person. So: is anyone interested in leading/helping with this project? Thanks, Mike Begin forwarded message: From: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Date: 14 December 2010 20:20:15 GMT To: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed subscription) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe? Reply-To: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination \(closed subscription\) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org Summary of this email (sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. Please feel free to forward to whomever you find appropriate. You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect. So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now. Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all Rijksmonumenten (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the Rijksmonumenten project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's. In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments. For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The Rijksmonumenten project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost. So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland. Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top-X of each could be competing for European prizes. You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be. Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need to get communications going, both external to the press (press releases etc) as to participants (have a
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe?
I'm happy to help. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2010, at 20:03, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Forwarding with permission of the sender. I'm very eager to see the UK and Ireland participate in this if possible, but from my experience of running Britain Loves Wikipedia I'm very aware that this needs a team of people running it rather than just one person. So: is anyone interested in leading/helping with this project? Thanks, Mike Begin forwarded message: From: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Date: 14 December 2010 20:20:15 GMT To: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed subscription) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Internal-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 - Europe? Reply-To: Local Chapters, board and officers coordination \(closed subscription\) interna...@lists.wikimedia.org Summary of this email (sorry for long text): We did Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) 2010 in the Netherlands, we would like to do Wiki Loves Monuments again in 2011, but now in Europe. This is only possible when many chapters participate, therefore this e-mail. To be clear: this event will only happen on a European level if there is sufficient chapter participation to combine efforts. Please feel free to forward to whomever you find appropriate. You might have heard before about Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 in the Netherlands. It was a highly successful photo scavenger hunt with 12.500 submissions and over 250 participants[0]. We recently completed a post mortem of this event with a more extensive description and analysis [1]. However, there are still many monuments in the Netherlands which can be photographed, so we are considering another run for next year - but then in a European context. Below we will explain a bit how we got where we are, what we have in mind, and what you could expect. So how did this all start? At the Dutch Wikipedia we have the windmill project. One of the main goals was to get an article with an image for every windmill in the Netherlands. Lists were created of windmills per province and statistics were made on a regular basis to track progress. This approach worked very well and made it possible to tackle a big problem; All the windmills have an article now. Some volunteers, in cooperation with the chapter, managed to get a dataset of all Rijksmonumenten (Dutch national monuments - 60.000 buildings/objects with some historical or cultural relevance) from the Rijksdienst voor het Cultureel Erfgoed (Dutch national heritage organisation, RCE). This marked the birth of the Rijksmonumenten project. The project uses the lessons learned in the windmill project. The data from the RCE was converted into lists by location and put on the Dutch Wikipedia. The community started improving the lists by adding missing information or adding photo's. In June 2009 Wikimedia Nederland ran Wiki Loves Art /NL [2] : A photo scavenger hunt in more than 40 museums. Also quite successful (5.400 photos), but much more work intensive because you need to keep contacts with all the museums and usually museums are further away from people's homes than the nearest monuments. For 2010 we were looking for a nice topic for a photo competition. The Rijksmonumenten project was running very well so we decided to organize Wiki Loves Monuments to give this Wikipedia project a boost. So, what would a European WLM most likely look like? Let me give you an idea of what we are thinking of, changes are open for debate of course. Trying to incorporate the main lessons from last year in the Netherlands into a European model, we think it might work best if Wiki Loves Monuments is organized on a national level primarily, but with cooperations, shared resources and international prizes on a European level. The national contests do not have to be identical, but some consistency would be practical. We are not sure yet what countries would be most successful, but our initial hope would be EU chapter countries and Switzerland. Basically, Wiki Loves Monuments would run 1-30 September 2011, and participants would be allowed to submit photos of monuments which are part of the object list. This object list includes the address and ideally geo-coordinates of all monuments which are allowed to participate. In each participating country there would be some prizes available, to be awarded by a jury for that country. The top- X of each could be competing for European prizes. You can find more information on how WLM 2010 was organized on the post-mortem [1]. That also lines out in more detail how much work it would be, and what the positive impact could be. Most of the local work would be to get a database with the objects, create object lists from that (possibly Dutch volunteers could support you with that, they have the experience [3]) and get the community involved on that. You would need
