Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
2009/8/28 Gordon Joly : > Well, Mailman is a piece of code, and all the data is raw text. > Suggest "only list members can view the archive" if you are really worried. That'd break deep links all over the place. In this case I'd suggest not worrying about it unless and until the Daily Mail actually object - in which case we ask for the post to be deleted promptly - and to take care in posting full articles in future. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
At 20:55 +0100 26/8/09, David Gerard wrote: >2009/8/26 Andrew Turvey : > >> You're absolutely right - posting snips is ok, whole articles isn't. I >> apologise and wont do it again! >> Just out of interest, can we delete posts from the archive? > > >Not easily. It basically requires a dev to go in and do it. They >regard this as a substantial PITA ... Listadmins don't have the >ability to delete posts from the archive. > >- d. Well, Mailman is a piece of code, and all the data is raw text. Suggest "only list members can view the archive" if you are really worried. Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
2009/8/26 Andrew Turvey : > You're absolutely right - posting snips is ok, whole articles isn't. I > apologise and wont do it again! > Just out of interest, can we delete posts from the archive? Not easily. It basically requires a dev to go in and do it. They regard this as a substantial PITA ... Listadmins don't have the ability to delete posts from the archive. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
2009/8/26 Paul Williams : > I was merely stating that your logic is flawed. We aren't claiming any > ownership of posts to this list, or content ownership. It's just being > reposted as a convienience. Copyright isn't about claiming ownership, it is about copying, hence the name. If you copy someone you don't own the copyright to, have permission to copy, or falls under one of the exceptions to copyright law, you are committing copyright violation. Posting a link is not copying anything (other than the URL, which isn't copyrightable due to being insubstantial). ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Brian McNeil wrote: > Both this list and wikien-l are public. To repost a substantial portion > of a news website’s article on either of these mailing lists is a copyright > violation. > Not necessarily; not if it's for the purposes of criticism or review, or for example pointing out manifest errors. -- Sam Blacketer ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
On which basis it would be wisest to *not* post this material here. I base that on having been reprimanded for similar actions on other lists, and feedback from the technical people that it is very difficult/inconvenient to remove posts from the archive. So while it might be convenient, someone will have serious headaches if the Daily Mail demands the content be removed from the archive. Brian. -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Paul Williams Sent: 26 August 2009 14:05 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions I was merely stating that your logic is flawed. We aren't claiming any ownership of posts to this list, or content ownership. It's just being reposted as a convienience. 2009/8/26 Brian McNeil Uh, what? I snipped half a dozen paragraphs that had been copied word-for-word from the Daily Mail's website. That's a copyright violation. The link isn't. Brian. -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Paul Williams Sent: 26 August 2009 13:48 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions Under that logic, posting the link is a copyright violation as it does not belong to us. 2009/8/26 Brian McNeil Both this list and wikien-l are public. To repost a substantial portion of a news website's article on either of these mailing lists is a copyright violation. Brian. - Forwarded Message - From: "Andrew Turvey" To: "English Wikipedia" Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 13:20:00 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Daily Mail (England) on Flagged Revisions Local english tabloid puts it's slant on the news. Unfortunately we didn't get any quote in there. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints -volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org <http://uk.wikimedia.org/> ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org <http://uk.wikimedia.org/> ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
You're absolutely right - posting snips is ok, whole articles isn't. I apologise and wont do it again! Just out of interest, can we delete posts from the archive? - "Brian McNeil" wrote: > From: "Brian McNeil" > To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 13:46:27 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions > > > Both this list and wikien-l are public. To repost a substantial portion of a news website’s article on either of these mailing lists is a copyright violation. Brian. - Forwarded Message - > From: " Andrew Turvey " > To: "English Wikipedia" < wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org > > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 13:20:00 GMT + 00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland , > Portugal > Subject: Daily Mail ( England ) on Flagged Revisions Local english tabloid puts it's slant on the news. Unfortunately we didn't get any quote in there. > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints-volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html > > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: > http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
I was merely stating that your logic is flawed. We aren't claiming any ownership of posts to this list, or content ownership. It's just being reposted as a convienience. 2009/8/26 Brian McNeil > Uh, what? > > > > I snipped half a dozen paragraphs that had been copied word-for-word from > the Daily Mail’s website. That’s a copyright violation. The link isn’t. > > > > > > > > Brian. > > > > -Original Message- > *From:* wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Paul Williams > *Sent:* 26 August 2009 13:48 > *To:* wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions > > > > Under that logic, posting the link is a copyright violation as it does not > belong to us. > > 2009/8/26 Brian McNeil > > Both this list and wikien-l are public. To repost a substantial portion of > a news website’s article on either of these mailing lists is a copyright > violation. > > > > > > Brian. > > - Forwarded Message - > From: "Andrew Turvey" > To: "English Wikipedia" > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 13:20:00 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Daily Mail (England) on Flagged Revisions > > Local english tabloid puts it's slant on the news. Unfortunately we didn't > get any quote in there. > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints-volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html > > > > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
Uh, what? I snipped half a dozen paragraphs that had been copied word-for-word from the Daily Mail's website. That's a copyright violation. The link isn't. Brian. -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Paul Williams Sent: 26 August 2009 13:48 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions Under that logic, posting the link is a copyright violation as it does not belong to us. 2009/8/26 Brian McNeil Both this list and wikien-l are public. To repost a substantial portion of a news website's article on either of these mailing lists is a copyright violation. Brian. - Forwarded Message - From: "Andrew Turvey" To: "English Wikipedia" Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 13:20:00 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Daily Mail (England) on Flagged Revisions Local english tabloid puts it's slant on the news. Unfortunately we didn't get any quote in there. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints -volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org <http://uk.wikimedia.org/> ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
Under that logic, posting the link is a copyright violation as it does not belong to us. 2009/8/26 Brian McNeil > Both this list and wikien-l are public. To repost a substantial portion > of a news website’s article on either of these mailing lists is a copyright > violation. > > > > > > Brian. > > - Forwarded Message - > From: "Andrew Turvey" > To: "English Wikipedia" > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 13:20:00 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Daily Mail (England) on Flagged Revisions > > Local english tabloid puts it's slant on the news. Unfortunately we didn't > get any quote in there. > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints-volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html > > > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail on Flagged Revisions
Both this list and wikien-l are public. To repost a substantial portion of a news website's article on either of these mailing lists is a copyright violation. Brian. - Forwarded Message - From: "Andrew Turvey" To: "English Wikipedia" Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 13:20:00 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Daily Mail (England) on Flagged Revisions Local english tabloid puts it's slant on the news. Unfortunately we didn't get any quote in there. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints -volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
