Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[ankry.wiki]

The index status information IS available in MediaWiki, see:
 
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:IndexPages
 
 
Unfortunately, it is hard to use it as
* it seems to be available only as this HTML special page (no API interface, no 
LUA interface)
* if is available only for 1 index pages and it is unclear how data is 
sorted (i.e. what is the characteristic of pages that exceed the 1 limit); 
however it hurts only the two largest wikisources at the moment (fr with over 
15600 index pages and en with over 11500)
* the index status is often not up-to-date; index pages need to be purged then.
 
In pl.ws we use this data to update index status by bot, eg. on this page:
  https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/WS:Wikiprojekt_Proofread
 
IMO, if this information is available via API or directly in wikicode, it will 
be more convenient to use, and maybe useful also for automatic Wikidata status 
update (assuming there is a link to index page there).
 
Ankry
 
W dniu 2017-10-12 10:31:29 użytkownik Gerard Meijssen 
 napisał:
Hoi,
Yes we need to have a better mechanism. However, there is nothing stopping us 
to publish all the books that are finished and ready to be read. That is the 
proof of the Wikisource pudding..
 
So is there a Wikidata query showing all the books that are finished and ready 
to read. With this we can advertise, having all books makes it complete. 
Knowing all books that are finished is secondary.
Thanks,
      GerardM
On 12 October 2017 at 09:23, Nicolas VIGNERON  
wrote:
Hi,
 
The validation-status data can and sometimes is stored in Wikidata. See how it 
is stored here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Badges and here an example 
of Wikidata query for all items about validated text : 
http://tinyurl.com/yaud3uoy
Thad said, most of the times Wikidata is not up-to-date, and there should be a 
tool to take care of that instead of human being.
Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Yongmin H.]

Can you divert that Wikidata stuff to other thread? I’m not sure if this is 
really related to ‘kowikisource’...

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2017. 10. 12. 17:31, Gerard Meijssen  작성:

> Hoi,
> Yes we need to have a better mechanism. However, there is nothing stopping us 
> to publish all the books that are finished and ready to be read. That is the 
> proof of the Wikisource pudding..
> 
> So is there a Wikidata query showing all the books that are finished and 
> ready to read. With this we can advertise, having all books makes it 
> complete. Knowing all books that are finished is secondary.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
> 
>> On 12 October 2017 at 09:23, Nicolas VIGNERON  
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The validation-status data can and sometimes is stored in Wikidata. See how 
>> it is stored here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Badges and here an 
>> example of Wikidata query for all items about validated text : 
>> http://tinyurl.com/yaud3uoy
>> 
>> Thad said, most of the times Wikidata is not up-to-date, and there should be 
>> a tool to take care of that instead of human being.
>> 
>> Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Yes we need to have a better mechanism. However, there is nothing stopping
us to publish all the books that are finished and ready to be read. That is
the proof of the Wikisource pudding..

So is there a Wikidata query showing all the books that are finished and
ready to read. With this we can advertise, having all books makes it
complete. Knowing all books that are finished is secondary.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 09:23, Nicolas VIGNERON 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The validation-status data can and sometimes is stored in Wikidata. See
> how it is stored here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Badges and
> here an example of Wikidata query for all items about validated text :
> http://tinyurl.com/yaud3uoy
>
> Thad said, most of the times Wikidata is not up-to-date, and there should
> be a tool to take care of that instead of human being.
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

The validation-status data can and sometimes is stored in Wikidata. See how
it is stored here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Badges and here an
example of Wikidata query for all items about validated text :
http://tinyurl.com/yaud3uoy

Thad said, most of the times Wikidata is not up-to-date, and there should
be a tool to take care of that instead of human being.

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[billinghurst]

The validation flag for wikisource on wikidata is a manual switch, and 
none of the available external tools/toys are able to tweak it at this 
point of time.


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Sent: 12/10/2017 5:14:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?


Hoi,
What does it take to get the validation-status in Wikidata. If anything 
it is the most important attribute. Knowing what people can read trumps 
everything.

Thanks,
 GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 07:22, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:
Nope. The validation-status data is unlikely to ever be in Wikidata. 
The tool below gets this information from category-membership of Index 
pages.



On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, at 01:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,
Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books 
in Wikisource?

Thanks,
  GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:

> No validated works found for ko

The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and 
categorized

mainspace works on kowikisource.

Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
validated-index category?
https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8 
<https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8>


Thanks,
Sam.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
When this data is in Wikidata, we can build a query that shows all the
ready books in every language. We can then package it and measure how often
books are read. This is the purpose of Wikisource isn't it?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 07:37, Yongmin H.  wrote:

> Assuming it’s index: namespace, we didn’t have such feature until I
> translated Index: (and the companion NS) in 2014 or 15, and even after then
> nobody seemed to care about the index: ns stuff.
>
> I’m not a kowikisource regular editor, as a disclaimer.
>
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> 2017. 10. 12. 13:14, Sam Wilson  작성:
>
> No validated works found for ko
>
>
> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
> mainspace works on kowikisource.
>
> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
> validated-index category?
> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%
> B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
>
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
What does it take to get the validation-status in Wikidata. If anything it
is the most important attribute. Knowing what people can read trumps
everything.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 07:22, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> Nope. The validation-status data is unlikely to ever be in Wikidata. The
> tool below gets this information from category-membership of Index pages.
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, at 01:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books in
> Wikisource?
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson  wrote:
>
> > No validated works found for ko
>
> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
> mainspace works on kowikisource.
>
> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
> validated-index category?
> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%
> EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
>
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Yongmin H.]

Assuming it’s index: namespace, we didn’t have such feature until I translated 
Index: (and the companion NS) in 2014 or 15, and even after then nobody seemed 
to care about the index: ns stuff.

I’m not a kowikisource regular editor, as a disclaimer.

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2017. 10. 12. 13:14, Sam Wilson  작성:

>> No validated works found for ko
> 
> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
> mainspace works on kowikisource.
> 
> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
> validated-index category?
> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
> 
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Sam Wilson]

Nope. The validation-status data is unlikely to ever be in Wikidata.
The tool below gets this information from category-membership of
Index pages.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, at 01:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books
> in Wikisource?> Thanks,
>   GerardM
> 
> On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson  wrote:
>> > No validated works found for ko
>> 
>>  The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and
>>  categorized>>  mainspace works on kowikisource.
>> 
>>  Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
>>  validated-index category?
>> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8>>
>>  
>>  Thanks,
>>  Sam.
>> 
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books in
Wikisource?
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> > No validated works found for ko
>
> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
> mainspace works on kowikisource.
>
> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
> validated-index category?
> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%
> B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
>
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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[Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Sam Wilson]

> No validated works found for ko

The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
mainspace works on kowikisource.

Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
validated-index category?
https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8

Thanks,
Sam.

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