Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}

2009-09-23 Thread mizusumashi
Thanks everyone who replied to my post. I have proposed to change $wgSitename to ウィキペディア in Japanese Wikipedia. A few users oppose itself. The half of users support changing not the prefix of project namespace but only site's name, while others support changes of both $wgSitename and project

Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}

2009-09-23 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM, mizusumashi mizusuma...@coda.ocn.ne.jp wrote: I have proposed to change $wgSitename to ウィキペディア in Japanese Wikipedia.  A few users oppose itself.  The half of users support changing not the prefix of project namespace but only site's name, while others support

Re: [Wikitech-l] Working towards branching MediaWiki 1.16

2009-09-23 Thread Brion Vibber
On 9/22/09 6:19 PM, Tim Starling wrote: I've been working on a rewrite of the script loader and a reorganisation of the JS2 stuff. I'd like to delay 1.16 until that's in and tested. Brion has said that he doesn't want Michael Dale's branch merge reverted, so as far as I can see, a schedule

Re: [Wikitech-l] Software updates Wednesday morning

2009-09-23 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: I've been meaning to investigate this, but haven't found the time yet. Have you come up with a minimal test case, or filed a bug with Mozilla? I'd be willing to look at this if I get the time, but I don't know how soon I will get the time, so it would help if someone

Re: [Wikitech-l] Working towards branching MediaWiki 1.16

2009-09-23 Thread Trevor Parscal
On 9/22/09 6:19 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Siebrand Mazeland wrote: Hola, I just created https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20768 (Branch 1.16) and Brion was quick to respond that some issues with js2 and the new-upload stuff need to be ironed out; valid concerns, of course.

Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}

2009-09-23 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM, mizusumashi mizusuma...@coda.ocn.ne.jp wrote: I have proposed to change $wgSitename to ウィキペディア in Japanese Wikipedia. A few users oppose itself. The half of users support changing not the prefix of project namespace but only site's name, while others

Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}

2009-09-23 Thread Platonides
stevertigo wrote: See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18793 . Note that ウィキペディア is not the canonical term, so people may not want to provide such functionality. ;-| -Stevertigo Your answer is completely unrelated to mizusumashi request, which would have no problem to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}

2009-09-23 Thread Chad
2009/9/23 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: stevertigo wrote: See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18793 . Note that ウィキペディア is not the canonical term, so people may not want to provide such functionality. ;-| -Stevertigo Your answer is completely unrelated to mizusumashi

Re: [Wikitech-l] how to chang {{SITENAME}}

2009-09-23 Thread stevertigo
Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: Your answer is completely unrelated to mizusumashi request, which would have no problem to be fulfilled (assuming there's community consensus). Don't confuse people with your own war (aka. bug 18793). Hm. You are right. The tokens befuddled me. -Stevertigo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Working towards branching MediaWiki 1.16

2009-09-23 Thread Michael Dale
I would add that I am of course open to reorganization and would happily discuss why any given decision was made ... be it trade offs with other ways of doing things or lack of time to do it differently / better. I also add that not all the legacy support and metavid based code has been

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-23 Thread Platonides
Yaron Koren wrote: Hi everyone, Part of the Wikipedia Usability Initiative is a project to create a system whereby template calls are hidden (minimized, really) for most users on the edit page, and when users do want to edit template calls, they can do so via a form instead of editing the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-23 Thread apri a.vd.wiel
I like the XML way of resolving this problem but I think it MediaWiki has a bigger task to do. Restructure the wiki language, XML-ize the language completely. Forms and attributes will have a place in this WikiXML-definition. Pages can be constructed from one or more XML-sources. XML-source, or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-23 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM, apri a.vd.wiel a.vd.w...@apri.nl wrote: I like the XML way of resolving this problem but I think it MediaWiki has a bigger task to do. Restructure the wiki language, XML-ize the language completely. Forms and attributes will have a place in this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-23 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Wikis are supposed to be easy to edit. Wikitext is not easy to edit. It's incredibly confusing and intimidating to any normal person. The only thing that would be easy to edit is something WYSIWYG-based. And AFAICT, the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-23 Thread Trevor Parscal
On 9/23/09 4:54 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM, apri a.vd.wiela.vd.w...@apri.nl wrote: I like the XML way of resolving this problem but I think it MediaWiki has a bigger task to do. Restructure the wiki language, XML-ize the language completely. Forms and

[Wikitech-l] LocalisationUpdate and ProofreadPage second try tomorrow; Collection too

2009-09-23 Thread Brion Vibber
Updates are coming back for LocalisationUpdate and ProofreadPage extensions, which we tested then pulled Tuesday due to performance problems. Roan's redone LU to store the message updates in serialized files instead of the database, which we can sync locally to web servers and should perform

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Wikis are supposed to be easy to edit.  Maybe I am misunderstanding your intent, but XML-ize everything sounds like an approach that would make it much harder for novice editors to figure out what they are doing.  XML tends

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-23 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com [Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:18:17 +1000]: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Wikis are supposed to be easy to edit.  Maybe I am misunderstanding your intent, but XML-ize everything sounds like an approach that would make it