Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Billinghurst
At Wikisource, we would be wanting to install tools in batches, and often dependent on the namespace, so we would be looking to gadgetise, or some other readily available means. Also as some works/projects upon which people undertake have repetitive editing, so we would be looking to enable

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Damon Wang wrote: > > There's a few Python-based things that might be interesting, but I > > think you'll get a lot more love for doing something in PHP or C. > > Since this is a student internship, you shouldn't be bashful about > > using this as a learning oppo

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC project advice: port texvc to Python?

2010-03-26 Thread Damon Wang
> There's a few Python-based things that might be interesting, but I > think you'll get a lot more love for doing something in PHP or C. >  Since this is a student internship, you shouldn't be bashful about > using this as a learning opportunity. > > I'd only caution against convincing yourself (an

Re: [Wikitech-l] hiphop progress?

2010-03-26 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 20:00, Ryan Bies wrote: > [...] I don't know the answer to your question but can we please get this hiphop work into SVN and out of various patchsets floating around? Let's just create a hiphop branch for it so we can all experiment with it. It looks like you don't have S

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki links beginning with slash character

2010-03-26 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Roan Kattouw [Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:11:47 +0100]: > They're subpage links. If you're on [[Foo]], [[/Bar]] will point to > [[Foo/Bar]] IF subpages are enabled in that namespace (only in talk > namespaces and the template namespace by default). > Thanks. I didn't knew that. Dmitriy ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki links beginning with slash character

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Dmitriy Sintsov : > Hi! > What's the purpose using of such links like [[/Title]] instead of > [[Title]]? They're subpage links. If you're on [[Foo]], [[/Bar]] will point to [[Foo/Bar]] IF subpages are enabled in that namespace (only in talk namespaces and the template namespace by default

[Wikitech-l] Wiki links beginning with slash character

2010-03-26 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
Hi! What's the purpose using of such links like [[/Title]] instead of [[Title]]? They probably should point to the same title. However, during the upgrade of one wikisite (from 1.11.2 to 1.15.2) I've found there were such titles in page table starting with slash, thus, inaccessible (at least wi

[Wikitech-l] hiphop progress?

2010-03-26 Thread Ryan Bies
Hello all. For those of you who have tried to get mediawiki running under hiphop, I've run into a block. After applying the patches from Domas and converting a few e-flagged preg_replace functions to preg_replace_callback, I have it running successfully, hitting the database as many times as it n

Re: [Wikitech-l] ExternalAuth design

2010-03-26 Thread Ryan Lane
>> This could work too, but it could be really expensive depending on the >> length of the cache. > > Yes, it depends.  If you're authenticating to some MySQL-based forum > on the same server, then it's typically just one extra query per view, > which is no big deal.  In other situations it might b

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni : > I am probably missing something. Is it enabled in the Beta now? Because i'm > seeing the linebreaks bug now. > Works fine for me, but we've had inconsistencies between Europe and the rest of the world before. I did what I usually do to fix that, hopefully it worked. Al

Re: [Wikitech-l] ExternalAuth design

2010-03-26 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Lane, Ryan wrote: > This wouldn't be an issue if it updated the external database when adding > users. Some backends may not support this... This may be one spot where > policy should be decided by the backend. Policy should still be decided in core, but backends

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Max Semenik wrote: > Speaking of Opera, it seems seems to have many bugs causing troubles > for UI, such as . > Can we produce reduced test cases and report them to Opera? After > all, their CTO Hakon Wium Lie

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 20:14, Roan Kattouw wrote: > 2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni : > > > Making a GUI for adding buttons, at least through the "Gadgets" tab in > the > > preferences, is essential. > > > It wouldn't be hard to implement the more popular buttons as Gadgets, > we could do that I guess

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni : > Thanks. > > Note, however, that if you add JS snippets, it may make it usable to me, but > probably not quite usable to many people who don't want to learn to edit > their vector.js. I've been editing Wikipedia for 5 years and i only created > a personal JS file a few

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Tei
The day this turn live, the Internet will become a bit crazy. Wikipedia is a important part of 2010 internet. I am sure lots of people will want to put this skin on his suddenly old-looking wikipedias in internet and lans. You guys are doing a nice work. note: I must report that the window "Add

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 19:21, Roan Kattouw wrote: > 2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni : > > Whatever they mention, i couldn't understand a word of it, and i do know > > some HTML and JS. > > > > There are several buttons which are essential to me and which disappeared > > from the new default toolbar, s

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Tisza Gergő : > Roan Kattouw gmail.com> writes: > >> That's deliberate, the TOC requires the iframe, which was disabled >> because of copy-paste issues. We're also not enabling NTOC as a >> default feature, so this is irrelevant. > > Does that mean the iframe-based editor will not be ena

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Amir E. Aharoni : > Whatever they mention, i couldn't understand a word of it, and i do know > some HTML and JS. > > There are several buttons which are essential to me and which disappeared > from the new default toolbar, such as nowiki, strikeout and some others. If > i had a convenient

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Max Semenik
On 26.03.2010, 16:30 Roan wrote: > Because Opera is broken is subtle ways that make it very difficult to > get S&R to work right. We could either enable a broken version of S&R > in Opera and be yelled at because it corrupts wikitext (very bad) or > disable the feature in Opera (less bad). In the

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Conrad Irwin
On 03/26/2010 01:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 16:30, Roan Kattouw wrote: > >> > and the inserted strings? >>> 2) How/where could a wiki customize the special character insert menu, >> The entire toolbar can be customized using site JS. There are examples >> at http://

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiativ e going live

2010-03-26 Thread Tisza Gergő
Roan Kattouw gmail.com> writes: > That's deliberate, the TOC requires the iframe, which was disabled > because of copy-paste issues. We're also not enabling NTOC as a > default feature, so this is irrelevant. Does that mean the iframe-based editor will not be enabled? It sounds much less scary t

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 16:30, Roan Kattouw wrote: > > and the inserted strings? > > 2) How/where could a wiki customize the special character insert menu, > The entire toolbar can be customized using site JS. There are examples > at http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Toolbar_customization ; th

Re: [Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/26 Glanthor : > Hi! > > I've read on the techblog that the new UI go live in April. I have > some questions: > > 1) What version? Acai, babaco, citron? Babaco, mostly. The features being made default are the Vector skin and the enhanced toolbar (including the new dialogs). > 2) How/where co

[Wikitech-l] serious questions about UsabilityInitiative going live

2010-03-26 Thread Glanthor
Hi! I've read on the techblog that the new UI go live in April. I have some questions: 1) What version? Acai, babaco, citron? 2) How/where could a wiki customize the special character insert menu, and the inserted strings? And the embed file (picture) button inserts this: "[[Example.jpg]]", witho

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list owner

2010-03-26 Thread Tim Starling
I wrote: > I've made myself mailing list owner of mediawiki-l and wikitech-l > temporarily, since I don't think Brion is interested in moderating > either of them anymore. > > But it's a relatively simple task, and it seems to me that it could be > done by someone with more spare time and less awe