Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Maria Schiewe wrote: > It’s not about the screen reader preventing the interaction. The interaction > will be the same as for keyboard-only users. The problem is that there is no > indication that the element can be interacted with. It is a heading level 5. > Ho

Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Maria Schiewe
Hello Aryeh, Thank you for your answers and questions. > The screen readers should allow the user to expand the menus just like > sighted users can -- if that can't be done, that's what should be fixed. It’s not about the screen reader preventing the interaction. The interaction will be the sa

Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Aryeh Gregor
2010/6/18 Daniel Kinzler : > 3) hidden (collapsed) menus use display:none. This makes them inaccessible to > screen readers, etc. Alternative ways for hiding them might be better - such > as > setting the hight to 0. Has this been tried? display: none seems completely appropriate here. The scree

Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Maria Schiewe
Hello all, I have a second suggestion for the alt problem that will require the use of WAI-ARIA, namely aria-describedby. Drawback: That is currently only valid in HTML 5. But it would be the better solution since alternative text and caption text are two different things (see also http://en.w

Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Maria Schiewe
Hello Platonides, > Those should have a title attribute. On German Wikipedia I see no titleattribute if I specify a caption for an image. > We used to have alt attribute equal to the title, but that was removed for > duplicating it and being in fact ignored. Is some screen reader preferring >

Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/6/18 Platonides : > That looks like a bug. CollapsibleNav is using mousedown and keypress > events instead of onclick. > We have been using mousedown instead of onclick to improve perceived performance, IIRC. Replacing mousedown with onclick would eliminate the need for hooking keypress AFAIK

Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Platonides
Daniel Kinzler wrote: > Hi all > > Today I got a review of Vector's accessibility from an employee of the German > Central Library for the Blind (Deutsche Zentralbücherei für Blinde, DZB). This > is by no means a full evaluation, just the result of having a casual look. I > visited them with Till

Re: [Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Maria Schiewe
Hi all, Many thanks to Sebastian from the DZB for his quick accessibility inspection. I wanted to comment on two things. > 3) hidden (collapsed) menus use display:none. This makes them inaccessible to > screen readers, etc. Alternative ways for hiding them might be better - such > as setting t

[Wikitech-l] accessibility problems with vector

2010-06-18 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Hi all Today I got a review of Vector's accessibility from an employee of the German Central Library for the Blind (Deutsche Zentralbücherei für Blinde, DZB). This is by no means a full evaluation, just the result of having a casual look. I visited them with Till and Maria of Wikimedia Germany a w