Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-07-30 Thread Alex Brollo
2010/7/30 Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com That's pretty much the purpose of the caching servers. Yes, but I presume that a big advantage could come from having a simplified, unique, js-free version of the pages online, completely devoid of user preferences to avoid any need to

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-07-30 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Could you please elaborate on that? Thanks. When pages are parsed, the parsed version is cached, since parsing can take a long time (sometimes

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-07-30 Thread Chad
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: There's already http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MWReleases that does server part of version checks for core, it could be tweaked to supply version information for extensions, too. It's being rewritten, FYI.

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-07-30 Thread Max Semenik
/me wrote: Last time I heard about it, it had huge problems with security and code quality. Did anything change positively in that area over the last several months? If s***c developers believe that all Tim's concerns have been addressed, they should resubmit it for review. Sorry, as Jeroen

Re: [Wikitech-l] Caching, was: Re: wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-07-30 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: So, we may have 1000x slower performance for our users because they don't really know about our caching internals. Our only hope is that most of them are also ignorant that those settings exist ;-) There'd be of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Storing data across requests

2010-07-30 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Memcached* Our $_SESSION simply lives in memcached. So we could do  $fake_session = $wgMemc-get( wfMemcKey( 'session', $session_id ) ) ;

Re: [Wikitech-l] Caching, was: Re: wikipedia is one of the slower sites on the web

2010-07-30 Thread David Goodman
Which of the preference settings are likely to cause this problem? On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: So, we may have 1000x slower performance for our users because they

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for comments: New Message class (2nd round)

2010-07-30 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
Στις 30-07-2010, ημέρα Παρ, και ώρα 11:09 -0700, ο/η Neil Kandalgaonkar έγραψε: On 7/30/10 8:35 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Msg::get(). wfMsg() This seems like a minimum compromise. Personally I'd go all the way to M::get() or M(), but that would be a bit too obscure and would break

Re: [Wikitech-l] Storing data across requests

2010-07-30 Thread Platonides
Chad wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Bryan Tong Minh wrote: Also, on places where no memcached or equivalent is available (i.e. CACHE_NONE), this will not work. Then you could be using the objectcache table in the database. No, that's

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-07-30 Thread K. Peachey
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, There's already http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MWReleases that does server part of version checks for core, it could be tweaked to supply version information for extensions, too. Although that

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-07-30 Thread K. Peachey
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: ..snip.. I totally agree here with Ryan. The idea is to have the repository where the version data is fetched is configurable, so it's possible to have other distributors then the WMF, and to turn of the feature