There you go then:
http://toolserver.org/~magnus/book2scroll/index.html
Just one demo book for the moment, but it'll be easy to allow all
wikisource books tomorrow, when I have had some sleep...
(page jumping is broken too, but scrolling works just fine...)
Cheers,
Magnus
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010
> You've already applied for commit access right? Did you apply for
> extension access or core access?
Actually, I didn't say it explicitly, but I mentioned "Sentence-level editing",
so that would be an extension.
> If and when you get commit access for extensions, you're encouraged to
> develo
> OK. Nevertheless, I would really strongly suggest planning a firm
> escape route as soon as possible.
>
Why? The Java we use is GPL licensed. As long as we use a JDK/VM that
is open, we are good.
-- Ryan Lane
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> If software is non-free just because someone files patent suits
> against those who use it, then Linux is non-free also. Microsoft has
> claimed for years to have patents that make it illegal to redistribute
> Linux without its permission, and it has sued one company (TomTom) on
> those grounds.
David Gerard wrote:
> On 13 August 2010 22:05, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
>> Oracle is only suing Google because Google is redistributing Java
>> without paying them, and because they're using a modified version (so
>> technically they're not covered by the patent grants), and because
>> Google has deep
On 13 August 2010 22:25, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> Almost all software might theoretically be covered by someone's
> patents, but practically speaking, that doesn't make it non-free.
> It's still free as long as modified versions can be widely
> disseminated in practice, and that's still the case for
Hi,
I remember last year image redirects used to work flawlessly. Tonight
I can't seem to get one working. Has the behavior of MediaWiki changed
or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
Strainu
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2010/8/13 Roan Kattouw :
> Yes, this is bad. The problem is that currently, we simply do not have
> such a list, not even internally. It desperately needs to be compiled
> and made public. At one point, Tim started a page on officewiki trying
> to list all dev contractors because he was taken by co
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> I wasn't aware of "if we can probably get away with it" in the WMF
> guidelines regarding free software.
If software is non-free just because someone files patent suits
against those who use it, then Linux is non-free also. Microsoft has
cla
On 13 August 2010 22:05, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> Oracle is only suing Google because Google is redistributing Java
> without paying them, and because they're using a modified version (so
> technically they're not covered by the patent grants), and because
> Google has deep pockets. It's pretty imp
2010/8/13 William Le Ferrand :
> 1) No, I haven't check that. It is a very important issue, but if the
> current result is not correct it should be a matter of fixing a few
> bugs here and there, not a global design issue.
>
There is a very fundamental issue with converting wikitext to HTML,
then b
> Search, for one. Java is not free software in practice if Oracle is
> spewing lawsuits all over the place.
Right, lucene slipped my mind. I suppose there are good reasons not to
use CLucene?
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:55 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> So what's our escape plan from Java?
>
> http://blogs.computerworld.com/16736/oracle_vs_google_over_java_in_android_is_only_the_start
>
> (I work in a Java shop. I'd already recommended to my boss and boss's
> boss that we get the hell off Sol
On 13 August 2010 21:57, Daniel Schwen wrote:
>> So what's our escape plan from Java?
> Where are we "with" Java so that we need to escape "from" Java?
Search, for one. Java is not free software in practice if Oracle is
spewing lawsuits all over the place.
(My escape plan at work was to move
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Daniel Schwen wrote:
>> So what's our escape plan from Java?
> Where are we "with" Java so that we need to escape "from" Java?
>
Lucene.
-Chad
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On 13 August 2010 19:10, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> This is pretty convincing, but not totally. Maybe the reason that
> people are so adamant about keeping content on the same page is just
> b ecause they have to click links back and forth to view the other
> pages, which is disruptive. If they coul
> So what's our escape plan from Java?
Where are we "with" Java so that we need to escape "from" Java?
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So what's our escape plan from Java?
http://blogs.computerworld.com/16736/oracle_vs_google_over_java_in_android_is_only_the_start
(I work in a Java shop. I'd already recommended to my boss and boss's
boss that we get the hell off Solaris ASAP. Today we had a lot of Java
developers rather concerne
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
> However, the fact that it takes so long to get a good grip on
> reviewing code suggests that reviewing code is just something that
> senior developers do, and that newly hired developers will be able to
> review code a few years from now. If w
2010/8/13 MZMcBride :
> The area of contractors and Wikimedia hires has to be one of the most opaque
> parts of Wikimedia. Unless someone is fully certified as a member of the
> staff and is listed at wmf:Staff,[1] there is almost no way to figure out
> who's working for Wikimedia, in what capacity
Jan Paul Posma wrote:
>> Interesting.
>> I find the switch to 3row textarea from content a little jarring. A
>> further developed version could make use of contentEditable to provide
>> the same editing ability but without the negative side effects of the
>> textarea.
>>
>
> Actually, showing
2010/8/13 Aryeh Gregor :
> they supposed to review code? I'd think it would be much more sound
> to ask a couple of existing employees to pitch in instead, spending
> part of their time reviewing and part of it coding. I can think of a
> couple of people who are qualified enough. It doesn't make
2010/8/13 Trevor Parscal :
> I'm not an OCaml programmer, so I'd likely be useless in giving input -
> but open-sourcing it and putting the code in a repository is always a
> good way to find people who are and to get them involved.
Particularly with such a desirable functionality as this.
- d
Danese Cooper wrote:
> I think you may be hallucinating. We are just now hiring our second
> code-reviewer, who is also thinking about ways to make the code review
> process more transparent.
The area of contractors and Wikimedia hires has to be one of the most opaque
parts of Wikimedia. Unless s
Very exciting work, thanks for the quality responses.
I'm not an OCaml programmer, so I'd likely be useless in giving input -
but open-sourcing it and putting the code in a repository is always a
good way to find people who are and to get them involved.
- Trevor
On 8/13/10 12:19 PM, William
2010/8/13 William Le Ferrand :
> I'm using a functional language called OCaml (www.ocaml.org). Have you
> ever heard of it?
Our math extensions for displaying TeX use it. In fact, they've been
languishing for a lack of OCaml programmers ...
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Hi Trevor,
Thanks for the reply! Actually I wrote this code for fun a few months
ago; the core is done but there is still a lot of room for
improvements ;)
I'm using a functional language called OCaml (www.ocaml.org). Have you
ever heard of it?
It comes with several fancy tools; I used ocamllex
Why not make a demo? I think this idea has come up a couple of times
here in the last year. People find it easy to argue about mere proposals
but an actual demo gives people a vision of what you are going for. Just
look at what's happened with WYSIWYG just in the last week.
OpenLayers seems lik
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:
> I think you may be hallucinating. We are just now hiring our second
> code-reviewer, who is also thinking about ways to make the code review
> process more transparent.
Is this someone with a lot of MediaWiki experience? If not, how are
th
On 08/13/2010 07:36 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> I have doubts about whether this is the right approach for books.
> Offering the book as plain HTML pages, one for each chapter and also
> one for the whole book (for printing and searching), seems more
> useful. Browsers can cope with such long pages
> I have read both of the link:
> http://blogs.sun.com/superpat/entry/opensso_single_sign_on_extension
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CASAuthentication
>
> But unfortunately, I havnt found the code you said... It
> seems like these extensions are use hook to implentment user
> authenc
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, ThomasV wrote:
> To fully appreciate the situation, you have to know that :
>
> 1. When a page is created, it comes preloaded with OCR text. Thus, the
> text of the footnote is initially on the page where the footnote is
> written. Moving it to the previous page in
This looks very interesting.
1. Have you been checking the cleanliness of your diffs?
2. It seems like some of the links which link to a different word
than the label text are being rendered incorrectly. Examples
include "parents" and "joint ventures" in the second paragraph.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> Disk dump thread:
> * Get mutex for list start pointer
> * Copy list start pointer
> * Reset list start pointer = NULL
> * Release mutex
> * Write list to disk
> * Release memory
>
> If you allocate memory per list item, the freed ones should
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Tei wrote:
> I am not dissapointed. The wiki model make it hard, because
> everything can be modified, because the whole thing is giganteous and
> have a innertia, and the need to support a giganteous list of
> languages that will make the United Nations looks lik
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote:
> Wikipedia, Wikibooks and Wikisource mostly use web 1.0 technology.
> A very different approach to web browsing was taken when Google
> Maps was launched in 2005, the poster project for the "web 2.0".
> You arrive at the map site with a coordi
On 10 August 2010 00:55, Jan Paul Posma wrote:
...
> The last few weeks I've worked on some prototypes to illustrate this idea.
> You can find the most advanced prototype here:
> http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/prototype/prototype3.html
> The full project proposal and prototypes can be found here:
>
Tim Starling wikimedia.org> writes:
>
> On 13/08/10 08:06, Natasha Brown wrote:
> > I can not run update.php, I did it php5 update.php as well. It gives me :
> > "parse error, unexpected T_ARRAY, expecting '&' or T_VARIABLE in
> > .../w/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.
Hi,
I sent a mail several months ago on this list to 'advertise' for a
wysiwyg editor for wikipedia. It is still hosted on a server, for
instance if you attempt to edit the page Open_innovation you get that
: http://www.myrilion.com:8080/wysiwyg?article=Open_innovation
The point with this editor
2010/8/13 Jan Paul Posma :
> I suppose I just go on and build it as an extension then. ^_^
> Again, if you have suggestions or want to join in development or anything
> else, feel free to mail.
>
You've already applied for commit access right? Did you apply for
extension access or core access?
If
Aryeh Gregor a écrit :
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:05 PM, wrote:
>
>> I guess you also mean "see multiple scans at once". This would be another
>> workaround, but it would not deter contributors from trying to leave the
>> text where it was in the first place, and where we think it belongs.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote:
>> Without having looked at any code, can't the threads just add data to
>> a semaphore linked list (fast), and a single separate thread writes
>> the stuff to disk occasionally?
>
> Isn't that the usual error that threaded software developers
I suppose I just go on and build it as an extension then. ^_^
Again, if you have suggestions or want to join in development or anything else,
feel free to mail.
Best regards, Jan Paul
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On 12 August 2010 00:01, Domas Mituzas wrote:
...
>
> I'm sorry to disappoint you but none of the issues you wrote down here are
> any new.
> If after reading any books or posts you think we have deficiencies, mostly it
> is because of one of two reasons, either because we're lazy and didn't
>
Interesting.
You might want to have a look at Microsoft's Seadragon technology :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2738e_sea-dragon-and-photosynth-demo_tech
(check at 1min20s if you don't want to watch the whole video)
Now, getting back to your proposal : A javascript interface similar to
the one
On 13 August 2010 12:23, Tei wrote:
> On 13 August 2010 10:27, Lars Aronsson wrote:
> ...
>> If we applied this web 2.0 principle to Wikibooks and Wikisource,
>> we wouldn't need to have pages with previous/next links. We could
>> just have smooth, continuous scrolling in one long sequence. Reade
On 13 August 2010 10:27, Lars Aronsson wrote:
...
> If we applied this web 2.0 principle to Wikibooks and Wikisource,
> we wouldn't need to have pages with previous/next links. We could
> just have smooth, continuous scrolling in one long sequence. Readers
> could still arrive at a given coordinat
Hi all,
The relocation process took more than we anticipated, so it now looks
like the situation is going to continue throughout the day today.
Towards the afternoon/evening various wikis are going to be gradually
restored to normal.
Cheers, Robert
On 12/08/10 22:27, Robert Stojnic wrote:
>
On 08/11/2010 09:46 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> This seems like a very weird way to do things. Why is the book being
> split up by page to begin with? For optimal reading, you should put a
> lot more than one book-page's worth of content on each web page.
ThomasV will give the introduction to Proo
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