[Wikitech-l] Welcoming S Page

2012-07-18 Thread Alolita Sharma
Hi All, Please join me in welcoming S Page as Software Engineer in WMF’s Editor Engagement Experiments (E3) engineering team. Some interesting facts about S - yes his name really is 'S', cf. Ford designer J Mays. S has been a ski instructor at Squaw Valley and a road sweeper for the Royal

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: It would appear from reading this page that the only alternative to Gerrit that has a serious following is GitHub. Is that the case? Personally, it seems like Phabricator or Barkeep has the best chance of dislodging Gerrit, but those won't probably get

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: Maybe this is because of the discussion format which was framed as for and against Gerrit. Is it possible to setup a copy of Phabricator in labs? What is needed to help with this? //Saper John had one running just as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 18/07/12 02:41, Rob Lanphier a écrit : It would appear from reading this page that the only alternative to Gerrit that has a serious following is GitHub. Is that the case? Personally, it seems like Phabricator or Barkeep has the best chance of dislodging Gerrit, but those won't probably

Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming S Page

2012-07-18 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 07/18/2012 02:28 AM, Alolita Sharma wrote: Hi All, Please join me in welcoming S Page as Software Engineer in WMF’s Editor Engagement Experiments (E3) engineering team. Some interesting facts about S - yes his name really is 'S', cf. Ford designer J Mays. S has been a ski instructor at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Platonides
On 18/07/12 02:41, Rob Lanphier wrote: Hi everyone, It appears as though the discussion has continued apace for the Gerrit evaluation process: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation Thank you everyone for chipping in so far. The current format is a mix of talk page and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming S Page

2012-07-18 Thread Ori Livneh
Welcome, S! -- Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Alolita Sharma wrote: Hi All, Please join me in welcoming S Page as Software Engineer in WMF’s Editor Engagement Experiments (E3) engineering team. Some interesting facts about S - yes his name

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: The evaluation is intended to determine if we want to continue with gerrit or change. If we decide to change, we should then see what we want to change to. Maybe we would finally decide that all the alternatives are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit downtime this Friday

2012-07-18 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi All, Ryan Lane and I are migrating gerrit's db to a server in eqiad (where the gerrit app server is located) on Friday, and have a downtime window of 18:00-19:00 UTC (11am-12pm PDT). Actual downtime should be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit downtime this Friday

2012-07-18 Thread Chad
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi All, Ryan Lane and I are migrating gerrit's db to a server in eqiad (where the gerrit app server is located) on Friday, and have a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Derric Atzrott
I don't think you can decide to change away from gerrit without having an idea of what we want to use instead. As I understand it, we're on gerrit because it's the least- bad option. To show that it's no longer the least bad option, you need to find a product that is less bad. Agreed. Otherwise

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Petr Bena
What about changing gerrit to our needs? It's open source, I suppose. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: I don't think you can decide to change away from gerrit without having an idea of what we want to use instead. As I understand it, we're on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: What about changing gerrit to our needs? It's open source, I suppose. That's of course the route we're going right now. The biggest hurdle to doing so is that it's written in Java, and Prolog. Neither of those languages are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't think you can decide to change away from gerrit without having an idea of what we want to use instead. As I understand it, we're on gerrit because it's the least-bad option. To show that it's no longer the

[Wikitech-l] Removing permissions for the History page

2012-07-18 Thread Meghan Mahar
I currently have a set of internal users for our wiki that have Administrator access. I also have a set of external users (our customers) that can only read pages and create discussion pages. I would like to remove the permission from our customers that allows them to access the History tab. I

[Wikitech-l] Wanted: technical advisor for Fanlore wiki

2012-07-18 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
I'm forwarding this (below) on behalf of the Fanlore community, which is seeking some volunteer help. Fanlore is an important archive for the speculative fiction community. I'd appreciate it if someone could take a few hours to help them with their current needs, and I'd be delighted if you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:41:06 -0700, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: What about changing gerrit to our needs? It's open source, I suppose. That's of course the route we're going right now. The biggest hurdle to doing so

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Chad
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:41:06 -0700, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: What about changing gerrit to our needs? It's open source, I suppose.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:41:06 -0700, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: What about changing gerrit to our needs? It's open source, I suppose. That's of course the route we're

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Platonides
On 19/07/12 00:48, Marcin Cieslak wrote: You can play live with the ORM mapper for example and retrieve Java objects from the database (not just rows). //Saper I'm not really convinced into playing with the database when not even the database structure is easily readable (it is derived from

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread MZMcBride
Rob Lanphier wrote: It appears as though the discussion has continued apace for the Gerrit evaluation process: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation Really ought to get default to HTTPS working... Thank you everyone for chipping in so far. The current format is a mix of talk

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Subramanya Sastry
While Gerrit's UI is not the best, I can work around that for the most part. What bugs me the most about Gerrit are two things: (a) A single commit is always the unit of review: While that is reasonable in many cases, in other cases, what ought to be a unit of review is a topic branch.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: (b) Commit amends hide evolution of an idea and the tradeoffs and considerations that went into development of something -- the reviews are all separate from git commit history. All that is seen is the final

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 07/18/2012 11:35 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: (b) Commit amends hide evolution of an idea and the tradeoffs and considerations that went into development of something -- the reviews are all separate from git commit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:35:00 -0700, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: (b) Commit amends hide evolution of an idea and the tradeoffs and considerations that went into development of something -- the