Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-09-19 Thread aude
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a bug open for this yet? If not there probably should be... (apologies if there is.. scanning through I cannot see one) In terms of supporting non-standard files - there is no reason why to get an obscure size

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 09:20, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: If anything, I think in the download button / dialog in Commons, we should have an option to allow user to choose image of any size to download, in addition to the preset choices. :)The thumbnails can be temporary I suppose, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 09:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Commons reuse guide [1] notes that hotlinking thumbnails is allowed, but it's a terrible idea and you should either store the image locally or use InstantCommons (which works wonderfully). [1]

Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-09-19 16:30 UTC

2012-09-19 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF)
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) slakshma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello everyone, You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localisation team[1] at the Wikimedia Foundation. Date: 2012-09-19 Time: 16.30 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office Agenda: 1. Project

[Wikitech-l] HTML5 and non valid attributes/elements of previous versions (bug 40329)

2012-09-19 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
I would like to open some discussion about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40329 This bug is about the fact that we currently do a 'partial' transform of the HTML5-invalid attribute 'align'. We all agree that this is bad, what we need to figure out is what to do next: 1: Disable

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML5 and non valid attributes/elements of previous versions (bug 40329)

2012-09-19 Thread Derric Atzrott
1: Disable the transform and output the align attribute even though it's not valid HTML5. Solve validness later. 2: Remove the attribute from HTML5 and 'break' the content. Fix by users (or bot). 3: Disable HTML5, correct the content of the wiki's (possibly with a bot) and remove the attribute in

Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-09-19 16:30 UTC

2012-09-19 Thread Scott MacLeod
Hi Srikanth I'd like to participate in this meeting but am new to my IRC reader (Colloquy) ... hope to chat with all of you soon. Cheers Scott http://scottmacleod.com On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) slakshma...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:14

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML5 and non valid attributes/elements of previous versions (bug 40329)

2012-09-19 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: 1: Disable the transform and output the align attribute even though it's not valid HTML5. Solve validness later. 2: Remove the attribute from HTML5 and 'break' the content. Fix by users (or bot). 3: Disable

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-19 Thread Krinkle
On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 September 2012 00:09, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Following up on what I said previously about wanting to build on top of this, there are some usability enhancements proposed at bug #40307.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-19 Thread Krinkle
On Sep 19, 2012, at 2:57 AM, Helder . helder.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: On Commons it seems to take 5 seconds to disappear which is too long as at this point I'm wondering how to dismiss it. I think the time should depend on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-19 Thread Trevor Parscal
I'm glad this area is getting a lot of interest - unfortunately I haven't been able to keep up on this thread but I wanted to give a suggestion related to adding icons. It's reasonable to take an option that provides a URL to an icon image, but we should have a common (customizable per skin and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-19 Thread Munaf Assaf
Already in progress. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/Agora_Icon_Set They'll eventually be in the Agora library as sprites. -- Munaf Assaf On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Trevor Parscal wrote: I'm glad this area is getting a lot of interest -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-19 Thread Trevor Parscal
Maybe I was unclear. I'm not suggesting we make these icons so much as we make the notification system use them by name. As in: mw.notify( { // This is bad 'icon': ' http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/32/check-icon.svg' /* other options here */ } ); vs. mw.notify( {

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-19 Thread Munaf Assaf
I wasn't clear; that's exactly what we're doing in the Agora CSS library. -- Munaf Assaf On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Trevor Parscal wrote: Maybe I was unclear. I'm not suggesting we make these icons so much as we make the notification system use them by name. As

Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system

2012-09-19 Thread Trevor Parscal
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Munaf Assaf mas...@wikimedia.org wrote: I wasn't clear; that's exactly what we're doing in the Agora CSS library. You are adding an icon feature to me.notify in the Agora CSS library? I know the answer is no, we are creating icons that can be used for that

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML5 and non valid attributes/elements of previous versions (bug 40329)

2012-09-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: We all agree that this is bad, what we need to figure out is what to do next: 1: Disable the transform and output the align attribute even though it's not valid HTML5. Solve validness later. 2: Remove the

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML5 and non valid attributes/elements of previous versions (bug 40329)

2012-09-19 Thread Derric Atzrott
Agreed, let's do #1. It sounds like this isn't our only HTML5 validity problem. We shouldn't punish our readers with poorly-formatted content in the name of technical correctness. Rob Long term though I still think we should aim for technical correctness. Which is why I advocate #4 as well.

[Wikitech-l] Wikidata blockers

2012-09-19 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi all, here's our weekly list of Wikidata review items. Due to the hands-on meeting last week we refrained from sending it earlier. Now that most should be back home, I wanted to give an overview of the open items before our telco tomorrow. * ContentHandler. This one is seriously blocking us

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-09-19 Thread Eric Sun
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it seems the way to request thumbnails has changed, at least for SVGs. For example, for http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-09-19 Thread Brion Vibber
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:20 AM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: In terms of supporting non-standard files - there is no reason why to get an obscure size e.g. 224px you could get for example the 240px image and resize

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: At the danger of derailing/forking the conversation... Your answer makes sense, thank you. I didn't want to kill the discussion either... Can we agree on this: If the primary target are app developers then

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Jon Robson
I think we should point to a developer hub but the current one needs to be massively revised! On Sep 19, 2012 4:51 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Tomasz Finc
I really wish I could just got to http://developer.wikimedia.org/ and/or http://developer.wikipedia.org --tomasz On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should point to a developer hub but the current one needs to be massively revised! On Sep 19,

[Wikitech-l] Travel Project - Next Steps

2012-09-19 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, As recently announced [1], WMF will move forward in creating a Wikimedia travel project based on community request and support. We’re currently in discussions with the Wikivoyage community, who’ve expressed interest in joining Wikimedia’s project family as part of this launch. We’re

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Risker
Without wanting to take away from the value of this suggestion, I'll just point out that there's also not a link to Become an Editor either. (Create an account doesn't really count, lots of people have accounts who never edit.) I'll be the first to admit I'm in awe of the brain power on this list,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Mono
I'm afraid that my opposition is rather frivolous, but is the ratio of developers to laymen enough to justify adding the extra burden? It seems some others have noted that if we include a developer hub, we can't stop there. I could propose a research hub, a librarian hub, a photographer hub. A

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid that my opposition is rather frivolous, but is the ratio of developers to laymen enough to justify adding the extra burden? It seems some others have noted that if we include a developer hub, we can't stop there. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: +1 for redirecting developers.wikimedia.org and developer.wikimedia.org to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub as well. Submitted in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,Ifa3c5e9988da162b2dde65e66bcb180f96161783,n,z

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata blockers

2012-09-19 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:53:54 -0700, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi all, here's our weekly list of Wikidata review items. Due to the hands-on meeting last week we refrained from sending it earlier. Now that most should be back home, I wanted to give an overview of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread S Page
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... And to help new developers discover various cross-Wikimedia tech projects, there is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub. but the conversation seems to be zeroing in on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Quim Gil
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Quim Gil
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Making the open source nature of our projects more easily discoverable is a Good Thing. Indeed, but mixing public APIs with 1001 open source possibilities tends to make more happy the smaller circle of insiders and free