Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Happy Melon
On 17 November 2013 11:41, Nathan Larson nathanlarson3...@gmail.com wrote: In my experience, spam is pretty easy to spot because the bots aren't very subtle about it. I'm sure spam directed at, say, enwiki, would get very subtle very quickly if spammers thought there was a real chance of it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Happy Melon happy.melon.w...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sure spam directed at, say, enwiki, would get very subtle very quickly if spammers thought there was a real chance of it being able to use enwiki's pagerank weight. Don't underestimate spammers' ability to

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki to Latex Converter

2013-11-18 Thread addshorewiki
Why not set it up on Labs? :) On 17 November 2013 20:45, Dirk Hünniger dirk.hunni...@googlemail.comwrote: Hello, I also put up a web version of the mediawiki to latex converter. http://mediawiki2latex.mooo.com/ The machine it is running on is really slow (like an intel atom) Yours Dirk

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/18/2013 04:39 AM, Happy Melon wrote: I'm sure spam directed at, say, enwiki, would get very subtle very quickly if spammers thought there was a real chance of it being able to use enwiki's pagerank weight. Don't underestimate spammers' ability to learn and adapt. Also +1; pagerank is a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Arcane 21
I agree. While spammers are so pathetic they will do anything for page views, I have to admire (and detest) their ability to adapt in order to spread their nonsense. Anything that slows them down, even in the slightest degree, is something I support and recommend. Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Risker
I also agree. Perhaps more importantly, I don't see any actual argument for *not* using nofollow. We're not here to drive pagerank for other websites, and our doing so can be harmful to those sites, or to the article subject. Risker On 18 November 2013 09:44, Arcane 21 arc...@live.com wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps more importantly, I don't see any actual argument for *not* using nofollow. We're not here to drive pagerank for other websites, and our doing so can be harmful to those sites, or to the article subject. Wikipedia's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 11/17/2013 03:41 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: Following the mediawiki-l discussionhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2013-November/042038.htmlabout $wgNoFollowLinks and various other discussions, in which some discontent was expressed with the current two options of either

[Wikitech-l] Google Code-in starting NOW (important!)

2013-11-18 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, Google Code-in is about to start: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2013 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In We have currently 72 tasks published and 13 mentors. We are still looking for more mentors and tasks. If you are interested, contact me. This is the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in starting NOW (important!)

2013-11-18 Thread Quim Gil
On 11/18/2013 08:52 AM, Quim Gil wrote: Hi, Google Code-in is about to start: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2013 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In You can see all our open tasks at http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2013/wikimedia -- Quim

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in starting NOW (important!)

2013-11-18 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-11-18 12:52 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, Google Code-in is about to start: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2013 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In We have currently 72 tasks published and 13 mentors. We are still looking for more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in starting NOW (important!)

2013-11-18 Thread Quim Gil
On 11/18/2013 09:36 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: So just to clarify, for those of us who are non-mentors, we can treat the gci students just like normal people (by which I mean, if they ask for help, help them. If they submit code review it, etc. I wouldn't have to record or do anything special if I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Nathan Larson
To aggregate some of the arguments and counter-arguments, I posted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/The_dofollow_FAQ and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Costs_and_benefits_of_using_nofollow. It does seem, from my googling of what the owners of smaller wikis have to say about it, that nofollow

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 11/18/2013 09:46 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: I do think the implications of changing how nofollow is applied are very different on, say, Wikipedia than they would be on a small or even medium-sized wiki As I said, at least for Google there should be no difference as it ignores rel=nofollow on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Happy Melon
On 18 November 2013 17:46, Nathan Larson nathanlarson3...@gmail.com wrote: If Google agrees, they can stop giving wikis in general, or certain wikis, such influence over pagerank. The spammers have market incentives to become more sophisticated, but so does Google, since their earnings

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Brian Wolff
I do think the implications of changing how nofollow is applied are very different on, say, Wikipedia than they would be on a small or even medium-sized wiki where the average user watches RecentChanges instead of a watchlist. In a small town, you can leave your doors unlocked and get away

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Nathan Larson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 11/18/2013 09:46 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: I do think the implications of changing how nofollow is applied are very different on, say, Wikipedia than they would be on a small or even medium-sized wiki As I said,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 11/18/2013 10:11 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: Do we have any way of knowing that Yong-Gang Wang of Google is correct about this? I sent a message to this individualhttps://plus.google.com/105349418663822362024/about(hopefully it's the same guy) asking for more information. It seems like a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-11-18 2:19 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 11/18/2013 10:11 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: Do we have any way of knowing that Yong-Gang Wang of Google is correct about this? I sent a message to this individualhttps://plus.google.com/105349418663822362024/about (hopefully

[Wikitech-l] OPW Proposal

2013-11-18 Thread Be B
Hi! I'm applying to the OPWhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women(FOSS Outreach Program for Women) internship program to work on a Wikimedia project, and am told it's a good idea to announce my project proposal on this list; so here it is:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Risker
On 18 November 2013 11:47, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 11/17/2013 03:41 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: Following the mediawiki-l discussion http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2013-November/042038.html about $wgNoFollowLinks and various other discussions, in which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 11/18/2013 12:27 PM, Risker wrote: To be honest, I suspect if the Google fellow said anything like this, it was that they might ignore nofollow on Wikimedia wikis, but I'm pretty certain that he didn't say Mediawiki wikis. I remember being surprised too that it applied to all MediaWiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

2013-11-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 November 2013 21:59, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 11/18/2013 12:27 PM, Risker wrote: To be honest, I suspect if the Google fellow said anything like this, it was that they might ignore nofollow on Wikimedia wikis, but I'm pretty certain that he didn't say Mediawiki

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Aaron Arcos (volunteer!)

2013-11-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm thrilled to announce that Aaron Arcos has agreed to volunteer for the Wikimedia Foundation as a developer with our Multimedia team through May. Aaron most recently worked at Google Switzerland (from 2005 until August 2013), where he was a frontend software engineer and UX

[Wikitech-l] Update to Echo api

2013-11-18 Thread Benny Situ
Hello, We made some change to Echo api recently. The api ApiEchoNotifications mixed both read and write actions, we have migrated the 'markasread' action to its own api module - ApiEchoMarkRead. The 'markasread' function still works in ApiEchoNotifications but it will be removed once all

Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook Open Academy

2013-11-18 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 11/14/2013 12:57 PM, Mark Holmquist wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 07:21:01PM -0500, Tyler Romeo wrote: MediaWiki participates in a number of student competitions and programs as an open source mentor (such as GSoC, Code-In, etc.). Today I ran into another one: Facebook's Open Academy