Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for checking two patches on Gerrit

2020-08-06 Thread Zoran Dori
Hello everyone, > With all due respect but i believe it does not scale to use this > mailing list to ping for individual code reviews. > Some peoples have done this in the past, and I wanted to do this also, because of reasons which I've already provided. Yes, we really need to fix the issue

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-06 Thread Nathan
I appreciate that Amir is acknowledging that as neat as this tool sounds, its use is fraught with risk. The comparison that immediately jumped to my mind is predictive algorithms used in the criminal justice system to assess risk of bail jumping or criminal recidividism. These algorithms have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-06 Thread QEDK
I think an important thing to note is that it's public information, so such a model, either better or worse can easily be built by an AI enthusiast. The potential for misuse is not much as it's relatively easy to game, and I don't think that the model's results will hold more water than behaviour

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-06 Thread John Erling Blad
For those interested; the best solution as far as I know for this kind of similarity detection is the Siamese network with RNNs in the first part. That implies you must extract fingerprints for all likely candidates (users) and then some to create a baseline. You can not simply claim that two

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-06 Thread John Erling Blad
Nice idea! First time I wrote about this being possible was back in 2008-ish. The problem is quite trivial, you use some observable feature to fingerprint an adversary. The adversary can then game the system if the observable feature can be somehow changed or modified. To avoid this the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-06 Thread Gergő Tisza
Technically, you can make the tool open-source and keep the source code secret. That solves the maintenance problem (others who get access can legally modify). Of course, you'd have to trust everyone with access to the files to not publish them which they would be technically entitled to (unless

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-06 Thread Thiemo Kreuz
I'm afraid I have to agree with what AntiCompositeNumber wrote. When you set up infrastructure to fight abuse – no matter if that infrastructure is a technical barrier like a captcha, a tool that "blames" people for being sock puppets, or a law – it will affect *all* users, not only the abusers.