Re: [Wikitech-l] Upgrading mailman (the software behind mailing lists)

2020-08-08 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thank you so much! On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 13:56 Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Hey, > Mailman, the software that powers our mailing lists, is extremely old, by > looking at https://lists.wikimedia.org/ you can guess how old it is. > > I would really like to upgrade it to mailman 3 which has these

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-08 Thread Nathan
For my part, I think Amir is going way above and beyond to be so thoughtful and open about the future of his tool. I don't see how any part of it constitutes creating biometric identifiers, nor is it obvious to me how it must remove anonymity of users. John, perhaps you can elaborate on your

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-08 Thread bawolff
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:44 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > Please stop calling this an “AI” system, it is not. It is statistical > learning. > > So in other words, it is an AI system? AI is just a colloquial synonym for statistical learning at this point. -- Brian

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-08 Thread John Erling Blad
Please stop calling this an “AI” system, it is not. It is statistical learning. This is probably not going to make me popular… In some jurisdictions you will need a permit to create, manage, and store biometric identifiers, no matter if the biometric identifier is for a known person or not. If

[Wikitech-l] Upgrading mailman (the software behind mailing lists)

2020-08-08 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey, Mailman, the software that powers our mailing lists, is extremely old, by looking at https://lists.wikimedia.org/ you can guess how old it is. I would really like to upgrade it to mailman 3 which has these benefits: * Much better security (including but not limited to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

2020-08-08 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Thank you all for the responses, I try to summarize my responses here. * By closed source, I don't mean it will be only accessible to me, It's already accessible by another CU and one WMF staff, and I would gladly share the code with anyone who has signed NDA and they are of course more than