[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread Volker E.
Hi all, agreed Brooke and all. There was one formulation in my starting email that should have phrased slightly differently for more clarity. 'Drop support' should have been 'drop dedicated support'. where users of Opera continue to be able to browse or edit the wikis in a basic manner. These chan

[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread Brooke Vibber
I'm assuming any change to drop Opera off basic and modern support relates to the legacy Opera, not Chromium based Operas, just like how the Chromium Edge versions still get modern JavaScript and CSS? Probably worth calling this out explicitly. -- brooke On Mon, May 13, 2024, 4:18 PM Volker E.

[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread Krinkle
I suggest we fix https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342267 before making any decision that is based on browser usage metric, unless we can demonstrate by other means that Opera isn't used by up to 10% of page views. By "fix" I mean, ask your respective managers to demand it and create interest

[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread Rexogamer
one thing I'm a little unclear on: does this just refer to non-Chromium Opera, or to Opera as a whole (including the Chromium versions)? if the latter, I'd reconsider - as much as I have my qualms with them, the Chromium Opera(s) have a decently sized user base. no objections to - if anything, act

[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread RhinosF1 -
Morning Design Team, I've had a quick look at the usage stats from Miraheze for the last 21 days and I'm seeing around 5.5% of traffic using Opera. Opera isn't a well used but still fairly popular browser and I'm not sure I believe it's got less 0.1% of traffic for Wikimedia. Where has this data

[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread normanrogers
I very strongly object to dropping Opera. Opera's market share is a lot more than 0.1% on other stats services, there must be something wrong with the detection code. Opera is very popular in Africa and Eastern Europe, and has a lot of users with the Opera GX gaming browser as well. There are al

[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread p858snake
On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 16:54, Lars Aronsson wrote: > When will you drop this stupid "m" in the URLs? > People now link to these "m" URLs where they should use the correct URLs. > It's a big shame. It should be a priority. > > Example: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch?target=en.m.

[Wikitech-l] Re: Drop dedicated support for IE 11, Edge Legacy and Opera

2024-05-14 Thread Brian Wolff
On Monday 13 May 2024, Lars Aronsson wrote: > On 2024-05-14 01:17, Volker E. wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> the Design System Team (DST) is proposing the following changes to >> MediaWiki browser support [1]: >> > > When will you drop this stupid "m" in the URLs? > People now link to these "m" URLs