Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-14 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Rob Lanphier date=2013-05-06 time=12:50:18 -0700 I've edited the page, called Greg's proposal Alternative A, and added Alternative B which provides a little bit of time for catching issues on mw.org: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/One_week Take a look at the page

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-07 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 12:52 -0700, Greg Grossmeier wrote: Also, the majority of bugs that are in the Highest/Immediate priority level (from my gut assessment, I don't have the data here) are found after a deploy to non-WP projects. I agree with that impression: We don't get many (manually

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-06 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Extrapolating from our experience from two-week deploy cycles and what bugs we find at each stage, would moving to a one-week deploy cycle substantially increase the number of users exposed to really bad bugs? For instance, if we're currently finding and fixing about 2 deployment blocker bugs per

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-06 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Let's move our MediaWiki deploy cycle to weekly instead of 2-week. This will also reduce the number of standing deployment windows throughout the week by having those projects/teams simply ride the MediaWiki train. \o/

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Extrapolating from our experience from two-week deploy cycles and what bugs we find at each stage, would moving to a one-week deploy cycle substantially increase the number of users exposed to really bad bugs?

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-06 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Brad Jorsch date=2013-05-06 time=15:32:19 -0400 One other plan that was discussed in February, if I recall, was something like this: week0, Thursday: Deploy wmf1 to test and mw.org week1, Monday: Deploy wmf1 to first-round wikis week1, Thursday: Deploy wmf1 to remaining wikis

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yep, Robla's creating that sample calendar now. My reasoning for removing that initial separation that may be faulty: We're running automated and non-automated tests against betalabs, and that has started producing

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-06 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm pretty sure this email will have a mid-air collision with Robla and his writeup of the proposal you outlined, Brad. I think Robla was the one who suggested it in February, actually. I was just repeating it here.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Proposal: Let's move to a one-week deploy cycle

2013-05-06 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Brad Jorsch date=2013-05-06 time=16:15:33 -0400 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm pretty sure this email will have a mid-air collision with Robla and his writeup of the proposal you outlined, Brad. I think Robla was the one who