Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-31 Thread Maciej Jaros
masti (2010-12-31 01:33): On 12/31/2010 01:19 AM, Platonides wrote: masti wrote: That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again). between wikitext and

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-30 Thread masti
That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again). between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text like for hundreds of programing

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
masti wrote: That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again). between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text like for

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
masti wrote: That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again). between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text like for

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* David Gerard dger...@gmail.com [Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:43:14 +]: On 28 December 2010 16:54, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: Not only is the current markup a barrier to participation, it's a barrier to development. As I argued on Wikien-l, starting over with a markup

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread Philip Tzou
Can we use a Javascript based parser to convert the wiki markup language to some intermediate object, which can be easily converted to both languages (wiki markup language and HTML)? I think JQuery object is a good idea. We can extend JQuery to include such language conversion methods.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 December 2010 16:20, Philip Tzou philip@gmail.com wrote: Can we use a Javascript based parser to convert the wiki markup language to some intermediate object, which can be easily converted to both languages (wiki markup language and HTML)? I think JQuery object is a good idea. We

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread Brion Vibber
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Let me riff on what you're saying here (partly just to confirm that I understand fully what you're saying). It'd be very cool to have the ability to declare a single article, or probably more helpfully, a single

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 December 2010 16:06, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: I have thought about WYSIWYG editor for Wikipedia and found it technically impossible. The main and key problem of WYSIWIG are templates. You have to understand that templates are not single element of Wikipedia syntax, they

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Brion Vibber
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. Wikia has WYSIWYG editing and templates. They have a sort of solution to template editing in WYSIWYG. It's not great, but people sort of cope. How did they get there? What can be done to make it better,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 December 2010 16:54, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: Not only is the current markup a barrier to participation, it's a barrier to development. As I argued on Wikien-l, starting over with a markup that can be syntacticly validated, preferably one that is XML based would

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2010 16:54, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: Not only is the current markup a barrier to participation, it's a barrier to development. As I argued on Wikien-l, starting over with a markup that

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Brion, Thanks for laying out the problem so clearly! I agree wholeheartedly that we need to avoid thinking about this problem too narrowly as a user interface issue on top of existing markup+templates. More inline: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: This

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Billinghurst
(Lying on the ground in the foetal position sobbing gently ... poor poor Wiksource, forgotten again.) Wikisource - we have tried to get the source and structure by regulating the spaces that we can, however, formalising template fields to forms would be great ... * extension for