Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-21 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > There is a blog post & video circulating these days, about how GitHub Inc is > organized as a company. They also manage a version control system promoting > decentralized collaboration, plus other tools supporting this core goal and > the big comm

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-21 Thread Quim Gil
Thanks Erik for the extensive response. Ultimately what counts is ongoing progress. If the model proposed is an improvement from the current, solving specific problems we currently have, then fine and I'm all or it. I'm still stuck in one point: On 11/19/2012 07:54 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: 3

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-19 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > While it makes total sense to organize Product Management, Design and > Analytics under "Product Development", it feels old school and odd to leave > out the software engineers fully dedicated to product development. It > enforces the old vision

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-10 Thread Sue Gardner
Quim, thanks for writing that. I am happy about the conversations that are happening about this, and I'm finding people's thoughts and input useful. There have been (and are being) lots of face-to-face conversations as well as the ones on the lists and in other venues: it's all good. There is of c

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Sue Gardner, 08/11/2012 07:03: > I kind of have the sense that people are considering this a done deal. [...] > > So to be super-clear: None of this is a done deal at this moment. Lots > of conversations are happening in various places, and it's all good. > That's why Erik made the pre-announcem

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Sue Gardner
Hey folks, I think all the conversation about this is really helpful, and it's been particularly useful thus far to hear from community members about what's confusing about the current and proposed structures. ("Not being confusing" isn't the primary motivation for a restructure, but it's obviousl

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Howie Fung
Picking up this thread as Erik asked me to explain the different functions that fall under "Product". To do that, it's worth describing in a bit more detail how our project teams work. This may be a bit reductive (apologies in advance), but there are a basic set of things that need to happen when

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Platonides wrote: > You can see several teams in that page, with members from multiple > "sections". Which leads to the (naive?) question on what's the purpose > of being splitted in those sections if then the work is done in teams > with a completely different org

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Platonides wrote: > > Thanks for your explanation but personally I'm more confused than before > > about the difference between Engineering and Product, also because the > > terminology didn't appear internally consistent. :-) > > I feel like you, Nemo. I am glad b

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Platonides wrote: > On 07/11/12 22:21, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: >> Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorly communicating what that means to m

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Platonides
On 07/11/12 22:21, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: >>> You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry >>> terminology, without realizing that we are poorly communicating what >>> that means to most people. [...] >>> First of all, this will help gr

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thank you, Erik. Before (or rather than) commenting, I have a single question below; the rest of the email is just a premise+addendum to it. ;-) Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorl