Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-09 Thread Quim Gil
Thank you for the explanations. On 11/07/2012 11:47 AM, Terry Chay wrote: It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorly communicating what that means to most people. Actually I'm familiar with industry terminology, and also with the wrong assumptions

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > Whatever the result, I hope we end up with teams where software developers, > sysadmins, product managers, designers etc are well mixed in focused teams > going after clear common goals. Absolutely. Teams are assembled cross-functionally to ensu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Sue Gardner
On 7 November 2012 11:47, Terry Chay wrote: > Take care, > > terry Terry this is great, thank you for writing it. I was on a two-hour call glancing at this thread, knowing Erik's travelling, and wondering if I should reply in his stead. Glad you did it :-) Thanks, Sue __

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Terry Chay
Quim, On Nov 7, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi, am I the only one having difficulties understanding the proposal and what > it implies? You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorly communicating what that mea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread bawolff
+1. I love the fact that these sorts of things are being discussed publicly, but I have no idea what the difference between "product" and "engineering" is. I have a vague idea, like that ops probably falls under engineering, and AFT like things probably fall under product. However I wouldn't know w

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, am I the only one having difficulties understanding the proposal and what it implies? On 11/05/2012 07:03 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: we need to split the current department into an engineering dept and a product dept in about 6-8 months. It is strange to see "engineering" and "product" side

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-06 Thread Sue Gardner
On 6 November 2012 11:23, K. Peachey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> The way we’d get there: >> >> I’m prepared to resign from my engineering management responsibilities >> and to focus solely on my remaining role as VP of Product, as soon as >> a successor for VP

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-06 Thread K. Peachey
(Double Post, Since this was crossposted in the first place, and to make sure I hit both lists, Sorry Wikitech) On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > The way we’d get there: > > I’m prepared to resign from my engineering management responsibilities > and to focus solely on my rema

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-06 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > The way we’d get there: > > I’m prepared to resign from my engineering management responsibilities > and to focus solely on my remaining role as VP of Product, as soon as > a successor for VP of Engineering has been identified. We would start >

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-05 Thread Erik Moeller
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Erik Moeller Date: Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:38 PM Subject: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure To: Staff All Hi folks, consistent with Sue's narrowing focus mandate, I’ve been thinking & talking the last few weeks a fair bit with a