Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-08-20 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 07/29/2012 09:17 AM, Niklas Laxström wrote: Have you wondered how GiGeGat [1] works for volunteer developers if even paid developers have difficulties with it? We have already seen cases where it works, but we don't know much about the cases where volunteers decide to give up. Here,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-08-20 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:15:00 -0700, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 07/29/2012 09:17 AM, Niklas Laxström wrote: Have you wondered how GiGeGat [1] works for volunteer developers if even paid developers have difficulties with it? We have already seen cases where it works,

[Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Niklas Laxström
Have you wondered how GiGeGat [1] works for volunteer developers if even paid developers have difficulties with it? We have already seen cases where it works, but we don't know much about the cases where volunteers decide to give up. Here, however, is one example [2] of the latter which I want to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Petr Bena
Yes, it is difficult It's hard to request new repository and have it created within short period of time. It's hard to navigate in gerrit It's hard to checkout mediawiki repository, because it's huge It's hard to find out how to commit / push (there is no guide how to setup git so that it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Platonides
See https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16258 I guess it was just frustration: I'm fight with this gerrit shit since hours, first SSH didn't work and then pushing did not work because the Committer was named another way. This is all way to complicated for me. An now this repository is totaly out

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Lewis Cawte
On 29/07/2012 14:42, Petr Bena wrote: Yes, it is difficult It's hard to request new repository and have it created within short period of time. Need more Chad's :L It's hard to navigate in gerrit When is this not being discussed/debated on/argued over... It's hard to checkout mediawiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 July 2012 15:39, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd say I kind of agree with the other points, but I'd also sort of disagree. Being someone that doesn't commit/push a lot of code, the things I have done (which, are relatively simple) we're easy for me to do... What are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Chad
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com wrote: It's hard to request new repository and have it created within short period of time. Need more Chad's :L No, we need a real process for this that scales. I was going to start some work on this with a new extension

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/7/29 Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com: Yes, it is difficult It's hard to request new repository and have it created within short period of time. It's hard to navigate in gerrit It's hard to checkout mediawiki repository, because it's huge It's hard to find out how to commit / push

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Lewis Cawte
On 29/07/2012 15:45, David Gerard wrote: On 29 July 2012 15:39, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd say I kind of agree with the other points, but I'd also sort of disagree. Being someone that doesn't commit/push a lot of code, the things I have done (which, are relatively simple)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Platonides
On 29/07/12 17:01, Lewis Cawte wrote: I understood making volunteer contribution easier was one of the attractions of Gerrit ... That, or Git, or the whole new workflow I assume, but who perhaps does this make it easier for? I suppose its easier especially for the people on the WMF side,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 July 2012 16:01, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com wrote: On 29/07/2012 15:45, David Gerard wrote: What are the statistics for volunteer contribution before and after Gerrit? Has anyone kept track of such numbers? I believe, although I may not be correct, Sumana requested these a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Chad
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:42 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 July 2012 16:01, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com wrote: On 29/07/2012 15:45, David Gerard wrote: What are the statistics for volunteer contribution before and after Gerrit? Has anyone kept track of such

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Helder .
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com wrote: It's hard to find out how to commit / push (there is no guide how to setup git so that it works as it is on github, unless you are git expert you may find it hard, because you mostly need to fix your git config

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Ryan Lane
I was just asking for numbers. Your response looks very like making an excuse for bad numbers *before we have the numbers*. I submit that if we know we have to prepare excuses for bad numbers before we even have the numbers, the current process may not have been a good idea. Since the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Ryan Lane
Since the operations repos have been opened, we've had over 800 changes pushed in from non-operations team members (this includes devs that have root). That's roughly equivalent to the number of changes one operations team staff members have pushed in during the same time period. As a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Thomas Gries
Yes it _is_ difficult for volunteer developers. I still find it very difficult and did not commit any new line of code to gerrit except a coached fix during Berlin Hackathon 2012. And use github for my daily work now. Tom ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: Yes it _is_ difficult for volunteer developers. I still find it very difficult and did not commit any new line of code to gerrit except a coached fix during Berlin Hackathon 2012. And use github for my daily work now. Can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Mark Holmquist
I believe, although I may not be correct, Sumana requested these a while back and has been looking at them... I'm not sure if it covers (new) volunteer contributors or not. I had provided some numbers, though I'm not sure how helpful they are/have been/will be:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 29.07.2012 21:56, schrieb Ryan Lane: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: Yes it _is_ difficult for volunteer developers. I still find it very difficult and did not commit any new line of code to gerrit except a coached fix during Berlin Hackathon 2012. And

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the current system too difficult for volunteer developers?

2012-07-29 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 29/07/12 15:17, Niklas Laxström a écrit : The developer finds it too slow and complicated and wants to move to GitHub and as consequence we cannot provide translation services for his extensions at translatewiki.net. I fail to see the relation there. Can't you sync with the GitHub git repo?