Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-29 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 29.07.2017 um 17:43 schrieb Pine W: >> Staff doesn't have that choice - >> unless, as you said, they quit. Sure, that's always an options, but not > really >> comparable. > > I don't think that being paid well in exchange for being unhappy, > especially if someone is highly stressed or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-29 Thread Pine W
> Staff doesn't have that choice - > unless, as you said, they quit. Sure, that's always an options, but not really > comparable. I don't think that being paid well in exchange for being unhappy, especially if someone is highly stressed or miserable most days, is a good deal. If someone feels

Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-29 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 29.07.2017 um 04:44 schrieb Brian Wolff: > Volunteers are subject to all sorts of processes they dont (directly) > consent to. Sure they could walk away if they dont like a process, just > like staff can quit if they dont like something, but thats rarely a real > option. Sure, to have certain

Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-28 Thread Brian Wolff
Volunteers are subject to all sorts of processes they dont (directly) consent to. Sure they could walk away if they dont like a process, just like staff can quit if they dont like something, but thats rarely a real option. On Friday, July 28, 2017, Daniel Kinzler

Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-28 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Hi Nemo! Thanks for your comments. Please note that the last call period is over, and the charter has been officially adopted on Wednesdays. I mentioned this in the Radar email yesterday. I'll send out a separate announcement today. You wrote: > Daniel wrote: >> This finally gives the committee

Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-27 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
> This finally gives the committee a clear place in the > "chain of command", and real authority over software > development at the WMF, where it formerly had none. This is a compelling argument, but why not call it Wikimedia Foundation Technical Committee then? It would also be easier to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-23 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Hi MZMcBride! Thank you for your reply. I had to think a bit to come up with a structured way to respond. Before I reply, I want to be sure I understand your concerns, so I will list them here, paraphrased. Please speak up if I didn’t capture any of them accurately: 0) (Implied) There seems to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-20 Thread MZMcBride
Daniel Kinzler wrote: >Over the last couple of months, the Architecture Committee has been >working on a charter that defines the Committee's purpose of authority. >Thank you for your input! The final draft of the charter is now available >at: > >

[Wikitech-l] Last Call: ArchCom/TechCom Charter

2017-07-20 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Over the last couple of months, the Architecture Committee has been working on a charter that defines the Committee's purpose of authority. Thank you for your input! The final draft of the charter is now available at: For a final