Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-19 Thread Pau Giner
Thanks for all the feedback! I'll try to respond below to some of the issues raised: *Which is the problem?* As it has been mentioned, one of the most effective ways of hiding something is to surround it in the middle of a long list. This produces two problems: - *Lack of discoverability.* u

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-19 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-19 12:05, Lars Aronsson a écrit : On 04/18/2013 06:50 PM, Pau Giner wrote: As multilingual content grows, interlanguage links become longer on Wikipedia articles. Articles such as "Barak Obama" or "Sun" have more than 200 links, and that becomes a problem for users that often switch

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-19 Thread Lars Aronsson
On 04/18/2013 06:50 PM, Pau Giner wrote: As multilingual content grows, interlanguage links become longer on Wikipedia articles. Articles such as "Barak Obama" or "Sun" have more than 200 links, and that becomes a problem for users that often switch among several languages. For how many users i

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
There are a few things (IMO) that should be done to langlist ordering: * Group by alphabet People who understand latin alphabet should get a list of all latin-using languages listed/sorted together. Cyrillic is a separate group, and so are various asian and middle-eastern languages. I have seen ot

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le jeudi 18 avril 2013 à 12:57 -0700, Brion Vibber a écrit : > On the mobile site we've collapsed the whole thing to an "Other languages" > section or button (depending on if you're in beta mode) at the bottom of > the article, and this seems to have gotten good usability responses from > mobile us

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-18 Thread Brion Vibber
I was traditionally in favor of keeping the full language list visible, but it's just too damn big in many cases and is hard to search through on any device. On touch devices it's difficult to pick a correct item from the list as all the links are adjacent (though if you zoom it's ok). Definit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 April 2013 20:43, David Gerard wrote: > On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner wrote: >> Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. > My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of > Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest b

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner wrote: > Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this approach. My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest being sure there will be little or no similar object

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-18 Thread Petr Onderka
There is a user script [1] that does a primitive version of this. I have found it to be quite useful, so I think it's a good idea to do this properly. Petr Onderka [[en:User:Svick]] [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lampak/MyLanguages On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Pau Giner wrote: > A

[Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter

2013-04-18 Thread Pau Giner
As multilingual content grows, interlanguage links become longer on Wikipedia articles. Articles such as "Barak Obama" or "Sun" have more than 200 links, and that becomes a problem for users that often switch among several languages. As part of the future plans for the Universal Language Selector,