Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-26 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Andrew Garrett wrote: > Some feedback: > * I think you should create a new field class for preferences to allow > the user to enter a token or press a button to have one generated. > This would also allow you to add the link to the feed underneath. > * I think you s

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-26 Thread Andrew Garrett
On 24/07/2009, at 2:34 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Cody Jung > wrote: >> Wouldn't adding a salt fix this? They would have to have both the >> username, the database, and the salt value to decrypt the wiki list. > > In other words, they would have to have access to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-24 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > There's plenty of ways to attack watchlistr without fully compromising > the server. The point is that a system that allowed stealing the logins of hundreds of Wikipedia users if you managed to compromise a third-party website run to unknown s

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Tim Starling
Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tim Starling wrote: You know you could have changed that header to indicate who actually wrote it. It's not against the laws of the internet. >> To help in the "proving trustworthy, or else" process, I have released >> the source code of Watc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Cody Jung wrote: > Wouldn't adding a salt fix this? They would have to have both the > username, the database, and the salt value to decrypt the wiki list. In other words, they would have to have access to your server, nothing more. No, it wouldn't fix it. After

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Brion Vibber
On 07/22/2009 06:39 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Ryan Lane wrote: >> Check out how the Flickr API works. Users can give web and desktop >> apps privileges (read/write/delete). >> >> It isn't really that bizarre of a concept. > > Read/write/delete access to what? The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Brion Vibber
On 07/22/2009 05:11 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> If it has your credentials it can impersonate you, which is bad. >> >> It addressed by making it possible for the site to generate access >> cookies for particular resources which you could share.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Marco Schuster
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Happy-melon wrote: > > > "Aryeh Gregor" > > > wrote in message > news:7c2a12e20907231051s638dd2f9v399ac2a79e185...@mail.gmail.com... > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tim Starling > > wrote: > >> To help in the "proving trustworthy, or else" process, I have re

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Happy-melon
"Aryeh Gregor" wrote in message news:7c2a12e20907231051s638dd2f9v399ac2a79e185...@mail.gmail.com... > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tim Starling > wrote: >> To help in the "proving trustworthy, or else" process, I have released >> the source code of Watchlistr - please take a look at it. Yo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Cody Jung
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tim Starling wikimedia.org> wrote: > > They would only have to get the site usernames to decrypt the login > info. They could get those the next time each user logs in, if > they're not detected immediately. There's no way around this; if your > program can lo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > To help in the "proving trustworthy, or else" process, I have released > the source code of Watchlistr - please take a look at it. You will see > that I take the utmost care in securing user information. The wiki > logins are encrypted with AES

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-23 Thread Tim Starling
Message from the developer. I will see if he's interested in subscribing, but a forward will do for now. Original Message Subject: Re: Watchlistr Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:20:19 -0500 From: Cody Jung To: Tim Starling Hey there Tim, Apologies, I am not actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Happy-melon wrote: >> I have a Greasemonkey script that does this, IMO, very nicely. I'm not 100% >> sure how GM script distribution works, but can't a server put files in a >> particular directory to have them

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Ryan Lane wrote: > Check out how the Flickr API works. Users can give web and desktop > apps privileges (read/write/delete). > > It isn't really that bizarre of a concept. Read/write/delete access to what? The only cases where read access would be relevant would b

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Brianna Laugher
2009/7/23 Ryan Lane : > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Gerard >> Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Would OpenID make a difference ? It seems to me that when you authenticate >>> to both WMF projects and to this watchlistr, you would not expose

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Ryan Lane wrote: >> What about OpenID + OAuth? > > With MediaWiki support, there would be any number of ways to do it. > Most obvious would be to just have a preference checkbox somewhere > that would create a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Ryan Lane wrote: > What about OpenID + OAuth? With MediaWiki support, there would be any number of ways to do it. Most obvious would be to just have a preference checkbox somewhere that would create a secret magic URL that would allow unauthenticated access to you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Gerard > Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> Would OpenID make a difference ? It seems to me that when you authenticate >> to both WMF projects and to this watchlistr, you would not expose passwords >> in the wrong pl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Sage Ross wrote: > I'm not sure what to do about this; it seems like a good idea but a > major security risk: > > http://www.watchlistr.com/ is a site that creates aggregate watchlists > across multiple projects. See > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Happy-melon
I have a Greasemonkey script that does this, IMO, very nicely. I'm not 100% sure how GM script distribution works, but can't a server put files in a particular directory to have them be automatically suggested for installation by Greasemonkey? I know it's not a perfect or even nice solution, b

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Would OpenID make a difference ? It seems to me that when you authenticate > to both WMF projects and to this watchlistr, you would not expose passwords > in the wrong place. It seems to be also a solution of allowing Commons to > aut

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Would OpenID make a difference ? It seems to me that when you authenticate to both WMF projects and to this watchlistr, you would not expose passwords in the wrong place. It seems to be also a solution of allowing Commons to authenticate in this way. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/22 Sage Ross

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:18 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Mmm. So solving this properly would require solving many of the > various consolidated/multiple watchlist bugs in MediaWiki itself, > then. Hm? No. Solving *this* involves having a sysadmin determine the source of IP of the remote logins and s

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/22 Michael Rosenthal : > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> 2009/7/22 Sage Ross : >>> http://www.watchlistr.com/ is a site that creates aggregate watchlists >>> across multiple projects. See >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bounty_board#Transwiki_

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Daniel Schwen
>> your Wikimedia password into the watchlistr.com site.  I have no >> specific reason to think it's a scam, but if I was trying to phish >> passwords I would do something like this. > Would something on the toolserver be safe enough in these terms? It would seem more trustworthy, but if i recall

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Michael Rosenthal
The toolserver rules forbid that: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Rules (#8) However there is gWatch which works without authentication: http://toolserver.org/~luxo/gwatch/login.php On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/7/22 Sage Ross : > >> http://www.watchlistr.com/ is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/22 Sage Ross : > http://www.watchlistr.com/ is a site that creates aggregate watchlists > across multiple projects. See > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bounty_board#Transwiki_watchlist_tool > The user who made it has very little editing history, and the site > aggregat

[Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Sage Ross
I'm not sure what to do about this; it seems like a good idea but a major security risk: http://www.watchlistr.com/ is a site that creates aggregate watchlists across multiple projects. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bounty_board#Transwiki_watchlist_tool The user who made