Re: [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread Maciej Jaros
John Elliot (2011-08-12 13:36): > [...] > The thing about me, is that there can be hundreds of thousands of people > like me, and when you add up all our contributions, you have a > formidable force. I can't host Wikipedia, but there could be facilities > in place for me to be able to easily mirror

Re: [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread John Elliot
On 12/08/2011 10:44 PM, John Elliot wrote: > It wouldn't be the same type of "blow by blow" attribution that you get > where you can see a log of specifically what contributions particular > users had made Although I guess it would be possible to go all out and support that too. You could leave t

Re: [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread John Elliot
On 12/08/2011 10:31 PM, David Gerard wrote: > This one's tricky, because that's not free content, for good reason. > It would need to be present for correct attribution at the least. I > don't see anything intrinsically hard about that - have I missed > anything about it that makes it hard? Well y

Re: [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2011 12:44, Brion Vibber wrote: > * user data -- watchlists, emails, passwords, prefs are not exported in > bulk, but you can always obtain your own info so an account migration tool > would not be hard to devise. This one's tricky, because that's not free content, for good reason.

Re: [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2011 12:44, Brion Vibber wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:55 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> And I ask all this knowing that we don't have the paid tech resources >> to look into it - tech is a huge chunk of the WMF budget and we're >> still flat-out just keeping the lights on. But I d

Re: [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread Brion Vibber
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:55 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > [posted to foundation-l and wikitech-l, thread fork of a discussion elsewhere] > > > THESIS: Our inadvertent monopoly is *bad*. We need to make it easy to > fork the projects, so as to preserve them. > > This is the single point of failure p

Re: [Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread John Elliot
On 12/08/2011 8:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: > THESIS: Our inadvertent monopoly is *bad*. We need to make it easy to > fork the projects, so as to preserve them. I have an idea that might be practical and go some way toward solving your problem. Wikipedia is an impressive undertaking, and as you m

[Wikitech-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread David Gerard
[posted to foundation-l and wikitech-l, thread fork of a discussion elsewhere] THESIS: Our inadvertent monopoly is *bad*. We need to make it easy to fork the projects, so as to preserve them. This is the single point of failure problem. The reasons for it having happened are obvious, but it's st