Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-09-28 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Fri, 25 May 2012 22:27:20 -0700, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: Fabian, you have found one of my old problems. There is a request on Bugzilla to store bot edits in a table other than recent changes in order to be able to sort them out of page histories. As the others wrote, this is a

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-09-28 Thread Krinkle
There is 3 different bot thingies you should know about, I'll briefly describe them each: == The bot user right: This is the right that grants the user the ability to perform an edit with a bot flag. Facts: * Not all users with this right are bots. * The flag can be toggled on a per-edit basis.

[Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-05-25 Thread Fabian Kaelin
Hi, Sorry about the length of this mail, it reads faster than it looks. I am working with the recentchanges and the cu_changes (checkuser) mediawiki SQL tables. I would like to be able to filter bot activity, unfortunately I am increasingly confused. Things that I think I know: - In the

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-05-25 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
2012/5/25 Fabian Kaelin fkae...@wikimedia.org: 1. *What is the meaning/purpose of the rc_bot flag on recentchanges? *There are entries in the recentchanges table from editors that are flagged as bots in the user_groups and the other bot tables but still have the rc_bot flag set to 0. I don't

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-05-25 Thread Ryan Kaldari
The bot flag is rather confusing since edits can be marked as bot edits or non-bot edits regardless of whether they are actually coming from a bot. The edit API accepts a 'bot' or 'notbot' parameter and I believe this is what actually gets recorded in the recentchanges table. Obviously this

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-05-25 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: The bot flag is rather confusing since edits can be marked as bot edits or non-bot edits regardless of whether they are actually coming from a bot. The edit API accepts a 'bot' or 'notbot' parameter and I believe this

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-05-25 Thread Platonides
The cu_changes table is not at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout because it's provided by an extension. The rc_bot marks if it's an edit marked as bot. As you have discovered, a bot can make edits not marked as bot (furthermore, as it is only stored in recentchanges table,

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-05-25 Thread Alchimista
There are some bots without flag, but usergroups is a good starting point. As far as i know, only a few counter vandalisms or notifications bots aren't marked as bots. Like Matma said, bots can have the flag and edit wothout having the edits marked has bot edits. For example, my counter vandalism

Re: [Wikitech-l] about bots

2012-05-25 Thread Bináris
Fabian, you have found one of my old problems. There is a request on Bugzilla to store bot edits in a table other than recent changes in order to be able to sort them out of page histories. As the others wrote, this is a very complicated question with few hope to get exact results, but please let