Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-29 Thread Chad
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ruwrote: The problem is not awkward syntax of PHP. Main problem is that PHP is a specialized language. For example it does not have built-in threading. Posix threading is not universally available for PHP. Python and Java has

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-28 Thread Steven Walling
On Saturday, July 27, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote: Can we all just agree that haskell, clojurescript and INTERCAL are the best ever, and move on? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog Apropos... http://www.developerarguments.com/http://www.developerarguments.com/sysv-vs-bsd/

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-28 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
The problem is not awkward syntax of PHP. Main problem is that PHP is a specialized language. For example it does not have built-in threading. Posix threading is not universally available for PHP. Python and Java has it's own VM-backed threading everywhere. Java is suitable platform to build

[Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Petr Bena
Lot of people hate these discussions I 3 them. Can someone tell me some pros and cons of using python over php? I recently heard from several people that python is even better than php for website developement so I am wondering if that is actually true. Someone has experience with that?

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, Python has its nice things, and is generally considered more hip then php. So are languages such as Ruby. Its true there are some stupid things in php, such as inconsistencies in the base library, and the dozen lines needed to do a map and a filter (vs one in python) in a readable way. If

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread George Herbert
This is not exactly the best venue, as MediaWiki is somewhat firmly committed by now, but Python is more firmly committed to good OOP principles and cleaner as a result if you code pretty consistently in that mode. There seem to be less complete Python web frameworks / toolkits in comparison,

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Yuvi Panda
Can we all just agree that haskell, clojurescript and INTERCAL are the best ever, and move on? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread George Herbert
You forgot Erlang, for those programming flow management... 8-) But yes, this is an open ended rathole... Not good for this list, probably. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: Can we all just agree that haskell,

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
Is there a specific context for this question? Are you considering PHP v. Python for some MW tool? If so I would include that context, because it makes answering the question much easier. As for answering the question of Python v. PHP, I like to look at languages more from the feature comparison

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Chad
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, Python has its nice things, and is generally considered more hip then php. So are languages such as Ruby. Its true there are some stupid things in php, such as inconsistencies in the base library, and the

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Ori Livneh
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Lot of people hate these discussions I 3 them. Can someone tell me some pros and cons of using python over php? I recently heard from several people that python is even better than php for website developement so I am

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Petr Bena
Well I know I can write a website in c++ (you can always extend apache with some nice module), but despite it would be probably very effective (much faster than using interpreted language) it would require a lot of work to do that. I am no huge fan of python, in fact I don't like it very much,

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Chad
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: The reason why I ask is that php always seemed quite nice to me for dynamic website development, and I am quite curious how it happened, that something else is beating it in popularity (yes there are more php sites ATM, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Svip
May I recommend taking a look at Go? I'd love to implement a Wiki in Go, if I had the time or motivation (and not a million other things I want to do). Go captures my excitement. Oh but, a word of warning; if you are using to one language, then Go will be rather different.

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
I will pass your approbation on to ESR :_) Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - From: Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:55:46 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php Can we all just agree