On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Daniel Friesen
li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:
Doesn't look that bad...
- Some arcane maintenance scripts.
- Some .js that can't interact with Title working with urls.
- The expected User, Title, Parser, file related, etc... core api stuff
that's easy to
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Aryeh Gregor
simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:
You cannot fix the problem by doing accent/diacritic normalization.
i and I are the same letter in English but different letters in
Turkish. You cannot get around that. We'd need to have a separate
On 14 May 2011 04:33, Andrew Dunbar hippytr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 May 2011 01:48, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:31 AM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:00 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
This is getting into nirvana fallacy territory - we can't have
case-folding until every edge case works?
Instead, I would ask first: What does it take in English? Then work
out from there.
Nobody's saying it can't be
On 14 May 2011 06:33, Andrew Dunbar hippytr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm almost positive Azeri has the same dotless i issue and perhaps
some of the other Turkic languages of Central Asia. One solution is to
do accent/diacritic normalization too as part of the canonicalization.
It's a good thing to
On 13 May 2011 09:09, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
And having it available as an option's a great idea. But forcing it
*absolutely* rules out some potential use-cases, which is rarely a
good idea in software design; especially in the case of *tools* design,
which is what Mediawiki
OK, then why can't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler
just do a browser redirect to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler
As the URL you leave in the user's browser location bar is the one he
will tell all his friends to use. You can't expect him to
be smart enough to dig the canonical
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
OK, then why can't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler
just do a browser redirect to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler
Because then we can't show the (Redirected from X) bar that
accompanies the redirects
On 14 May 2011 20:37, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
OK, then why can't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler
just do a browser redirect to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler
Because then we can't show the
- Original Message -
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
This is getting into nirvana fallacy territory - we can't have
case-folding until every edge case works?
Instead, I would ask first: What does it take in English? Then work
out from there.
You appear to be suggesting,
- Original Message -
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
On 13 May 2011 09:09, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
And having it available as an option's a great idea. But forcing it
*absolutely* rules out some potential use-cases, which is rarely a
good idea in software design;
- Original Message -
From: K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
OK, then why can't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler
just do a browser redirect to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler
Because then we can't show
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how useful this really was, back in 2005 or so, I got a tersely-worded
response that we need it to disambiguate certain pages. OK, but how many
cases does that actually apply to? I would think that the increased
usability
On 13 May 2011 14:34, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
They're not the same page. Wikipedia page titles are case sensitive --
except
that the first character is forced to upper case by the engine.
Does that
On 13 May 2011 17:31, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how useful this really was, back in 2005 or so, I got a tersely-worded
response that we need it to disambiguate certain pages. OK, but how many
cases does
- Original Message -
From: Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com
wrote:
They're not the same page. Wikipedia page titles are case sensitive
-- except
that the first character is forced to upper case by the engine.
- Original Message -
From: Andrew Dunbar hippytr...@gmail.com
On 13 May 2011 14:34, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be possible to code around this, so that the redirects
would be simulated if they don't exist, but it hasn't happened. In
practice, people like me
On 11-05-13 12:42 AM, Andrew Dunbar wrote:
On 13 May 2011 17:31, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how useful this really was, back in 2005 or so, I got a tersely-worded
response that we need it to disambiguate
On 13 May 2011 08:42, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Repeat after me: Not all Mediawikiae are Wikipedia; Wikipedia is merely
*the most important* customer of the project, not the only one. No,
it would *not* be good to make the base package page-title-case-folding.
While your first
- Original Message -
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
On 13 May 2011 08:42, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Repeat after me: Not all Mediawikiae are Wikipedia; Wikipedia is
merely
*the most important* customer of the project, not the only one. No,
it would *not* be
On 5/13/2011 3:31 AM, M. Williamson wrote:
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how useful this really was, back in 2005 or so, I got a tersely-worded
response that we need it to disambiguate certain pages. OK, but how many
cases does that actually
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:31 AM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how useful this really was, back in 2005 or so, I got a tersely-worded
response that we need it to disambiguate certain pages. OK, but how many
On 11-05-13 08:48 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:31 AM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how useful this really was, back in 2005 or so, I got a tersely-worded
response that we need it to
Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote in message
news:4dcdb7af.7020...@nadir-seen-fire.com...
Fortunately I think most of the space/underscore switching done by code
is actually isolated to a subset of Title and perhaps a few other core
classes (probably ones like User and the
On 11-05-13 04:27 PM, Happy-melon wrote:
Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote in message
news:4dcdb7af.7020...@nadir-seen-fire.com...
Fortunately I think most of the space/underscore switching done by code
is actually isolated to a subset of Title and perhaps a few other core
On 14 May 2011 01:48, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:31 AM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I still don't think page titles should be case sensitive. Last time I asked
how useful this really was, back in 2005 or so, I got a tersely-worded
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=steven+tyler
gets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler
wouldn't be better to directly get
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler
even though one could say they are the same page?
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- Original Message -
From: jida...@jidanni.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=steven+tyler
gets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler
wouldn't be better to directly get
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler
even though one could say they are the same
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
They're not the same page. Wikipedia page titles are case sensitive -- except
that the first character is forced to upper case by the engine.
Does that search not return both? Why would we have both?
Like you said, the
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