Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Greg Grossmeier date=2015-05-28 time=12:18:07 -0700 See also: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/?statuses=open%28%29projects=PHID-PROJ-4uc7r7pdosfsk55qg7f6#R (aka: open tasks filed in the #Wikimedia-log-errors project on phabricator) A maybe better way to view that query:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Mukunda Modell date=2015-05-28 time=13:42:50 -0500 This also means we need to be even more diligent about policing the error logs and eliminating noise which obscures real problems by burying them among the other log messages. +1000 See also:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Brian Wolff
On May 28, 2015 4:21 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the idea is to lean more on our quality assurance infrastructure e.g. browser tests which I fully welcome. The more developed they become the less chance of regressions making it to code let alone our projects. When I

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Dan Garry
Awesome! This will make many teams very happy since they'll be moving faster. What's the criteria by which you will evaluate the success of this? Thanks, Dan On 27 May 2015 10:19 pm, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Starting the week of June 8th we'll be transitioning our

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Jon Robson
I suspect the idea is to lean more on our quality assurance infrastructure e.g. browser tests which I fully welcome. The more developed they become the less chance of regressions making it to code let alone our projects. When I joined 3 years ago we had no quality assurance infrastructure and

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Risker
This is strictly a question from an uninvolved observer. Does this schedule provide for sufficient time and real-time/hands-on testing before changes hit the big projects? An IRC discussion I was following last evening suggested to me that the first deploy (to test wikis and mw.org) probably did

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Dan Garry date=2015-05-28 time=13:51:47 +0200 Awesome! This will make many teams very happy since they'll be moving faster. :) What's the criteria by which you will evaluate the success of this? 1) the above (happier teams) 2) It's going to be hard to measure success but it'll be

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-28 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Risker date=2015-05-28 time=09:53:31 -0400 This is strictly a question from an uninvolved observer. Does this schedule provide for sufficient time and real-time/hands-on testing before changes hit the big projects? Yes. We still have Beta Cluster (production-like environment) which

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-27 Thread Jon Robson
This is super awesome Greg. Thanks for making this happen. The deployment schedule has always been a huge source of pain for me. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Starting the week of June 8th we'll be transitioning our MediaWiki + Extensions

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-27 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=S Page date=2015-05-27 time=14:58:16 -0700 Benito, Grossmeier! He made the trains run on time [1] Tuesday: New branch cut, deployed to test wikis and mediawiki.org as before, I assume. right right, I just mentally lump mw.org with test wikis ;) -- | Greg Grossmeier

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

2015-05-27 Thread S Page
Benito, Grossmeier! He made the trains run on time [1] Tuesday: New branch cut, deployed to test wikis and mediawiki.org as before, I assume. [1] Or not, http://www.transportmyths.co.uk/mussolini.htm -- =S Page WMF Tech writer ___ Wikitech-l