Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
160 W measured at what point, before or after they're converted to the end tension needed? PSU performance deteriorates a lot at low usage ratio and their stock PSU is not particularly brilliant. But yes, it's easy to reach 140 W just with one hard disk, some RAM sticks and a few non-disabled

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-14 Thread Tim Starling
I wrote: But I think it would make more sense to have a bare metal provisioning process for misc servers which allowed smaller numbers of Intel cores per server, where that fits the application. That would improve energy efficiency without the need to deploy a new architecture. Actually,

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread James Salsman
Eugene wrote: ... OS support if not mature yet, especially for ARMv8 (64 bit). Does someone have an exhaustive list of packages which we depend on for production but aren't available as arm binaries yet? We could try to build those. As for development, I understand that Oracle's JDK isn't on

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread Faidon Liambotis
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 05:47:12PM +0800, James Salsman wrote: Can someone more familiar with the Foundation's server infrastructure needs than I please create a page somewhere with a checklist of packages, modules, tools, etc., which need to be on arm but aren't yet? Before we do that, we

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 01/13/2014 04:47 AM, James Salsman wrote: Can someone more familiar with the Foundation's server infrastructure needs than I please create a page somewhere with a checklist of packages, modules, tools, etc., which need to be on arm but aren't yet? Jasper mentioned that we need virtualization

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 13/01/14 21:14, Faidon Liambotis wrote: We've thought a bit about it in the past, but couldn't come up with a use case that made technical or financial sense. We have dozens of x86 servers e.g. just for MediaWiki; having thousands of ARM servers for the same purpose instead doesn't sound

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: In fact, it would slow down individual requests by a factor of 7, judging by the benchmarks of Calxeda and Xeon CPUs at http://www.eembc.org/coremark/index.php So instead of a 10s parse time, you would have 70s.

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 14/01/14 10:55, George Herbert wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: In fact, it would slow down individual requests by a factor of 7, judging by the benchmarks of Calxeda and Xeon CPUs at http://www.eembc.org/coremark/index.php So instead of

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread Eugene Zelenko
Hi! I think will be good idea to try to get access to real hardware. For example, Boston (http://www.boston.co.uk) produces Calxeda-based servers and well as HP has experimental Calxeda and X-Gene based cartridges for Moonshot servers (http://www.hp.com/moonshot). Both provide remote access to

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jan 14, 2014 2:47 AM, Eugene Zelenko eugene.zele...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I think will be good idea to try to get access to real hardware. For example, Boston (http://www.boston.co.uk) produces Calxeda-based servers and well as HP has experimental Calxeda and X-Gene based cartridges for

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-12 Thread Eugene Zelenko
Hi! ARM servers is definitely worth to look at, but please be aware that technology is not mainstream and sad things may happens: http://calxeda.com (one of exhibitors of ARM TechCon). OS support if not mature yet, especially for ARMv8 (64 bit). Eugene. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 1:05 AM, James