Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-26 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
On 26.01.2015 13:09, Petr Bena wrote: 1) There may be no ZIM's for the wiki they want to use and they have no idea how to create one. They won't be able to use kiwix here. We propose a ZIM file for most of the important projects. The problem is that we still don't have the resources to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-26 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Dear Petr On 23.01.2015 11:59, Petr Bena wrote: Some of you probably know kiwix - kiwix.org which is offline wikipedia reader. I think the idea of this reader is cool, most of you probably sometimes wanted to access wikipedia while being offline somewhere, but couldn't. Kiwix can help with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-26 Thread Petr Bena
That is still IMHO highly unusable, let me explain why: Let's define USER as a computer illiterate that has absolutely no knowledge of how computers work. They got their PC (or mobile) and want to run offline reader of either wikipedia or their favorite wiki, which can be non-wmf thing.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-25 Thread rupert THURNER
Petr, do you think it would be an option to use git version control as a storage format instead of openzim? Which would facilitate edit and merge back changes? Rupert On Jan 23, 2015 11:59 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know most of you hate reinventing a wheel so I first

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-25 Thread Petr Bena
I don't really know, it is technically possible but probably not suitable. I don't want to create offline wiki. Just a reader of a wiki, so no complex versioning is required for that. On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Petr, do you think it would be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-25 Thread rupert THURNER
The storage format is very efficient and there is a c library for it : https://libgit2.github.com It should be not necessary to create complex versioning around it. You plan to store html or wikitext? Rupert On Jan 25, 2015 6:37 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I don't really know, it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-25 Thread Petr Bena
Either only wikitext or both, at least until I would get some wikitext to html convertor lib On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:41 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: The storage format is very efficient and there is a c library for it : https://libgit2.github.com It should be not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-24 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com writes: web-app for offline use? :o Maybe they have a small webserver set up in a remote place with only sporadic Internet access? Maybe they're running a Mozilla's Firefox OS on a phone and calling apps for that OS web apps? -- Mark A. Hershberger NicheWork LLC

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-24 Thread Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
There's also XOWA, and the dev answered my question about the pros and cons of XOWA vs Kiwix, at https://www.reddit.com/r/ https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/2f7lzi/your_own_wikipedia/ck6oa07 wikipedia https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/2f7lzi/your_own_wikipedia/ck6oa07

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Yes, this. There is nothing contradictory with web app and offline. It works fine in chrome and other mobile browsers, although we deployed it with mobile Firefox for Android. --scott On Jan 24, 2015 3:00 PM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 2015-01-24 2:38 PM, Mark A.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-24 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2015-01-24 2:38 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com writes: web-app for offline use? :o Maybe they have a small webserver set up in a remote place with only sporadic Internet access? Maybe they're running a Mozilla's Firefox OS on a phone and calling apps for that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-24 Thread Petr Bena
web-app for offline use? :o On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: FWIW I also wrote a web app called Nell's Wikipedia which behaves as you propose: https://github.com/cscott/nell-wikipedia If you wanted to hack on it, it could use a bit of love.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
FWIW I also wrote a web app called Nell's Wikipedia which behaves as you propose: https://github.com/cscott/nell-wikipedia If you wanted to hack on it, it could use a bit of love. --scott On Jan 23, 2015 7:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Ok these are all planned to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-23 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com writes: That suck. Especially with GPRS internet and similar connectivity and it also suck because mobile phones don't even have space for so much data. My idea is to create app similar to kiwix, that would use SQLite DB and using wikipedia API it would (slowly,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-23 Thread Petr Bena
Ok, see my responses bellow. I am interested if there are some users who actually do use offline wikipedia and how would they like this new approach. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need a new application for this, you just need some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Ok these are all planned to be implemented solutions that do not work now You didn't even read, did you? Let me quote: I use this code yes and it works Nemo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea for new desktop / mobile kiwix like application

2015-01-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
You don't need a new application for this, you just need some upgrades to the ZIM generation pipeline. How about sending patches for https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwix/other/ci/master/tree/mwoffliner to generate category-based ZIM files and the like? Customisation possibilities used to be better