[Wikitech-l] Unable to Create a gerrit account

2013-07-23 Thread anubhav agarwal
Hi, I was following this tutorialhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deploymentfor deploying an extension on MediaWiki. It asked me to create a labs/git/gerrit account. When I opened the linkhttps://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin/signup, I entered the following

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Risker
The numbers are important. And perhaps what isn't being reflected well here is the genuine disappointment felt by so many in the enwiki community; there was more excitement about this project than probably any other that WMF has undertaken in the past 5 years. The sudden leap from

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Nicolas Vervelle
I was glad to see some WMF members speak their mind against the current stance from Erik and James. But when I see Erik answer, I'm clearly understanding that WMF management is simply being blind. Erik, if I read correctly your reply : - You still don't have analysed the A/B test period :

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Nicolas Vervelle
Thanks Risker, I think you've summarized the position of many experienced users. 100% agreed. Nico On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The numbers are important. And perhaps what isn't being reflected well here is the genuine disappointment felt by so many in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 07/22/2013 10:44 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Round-trip bugs, and bugs which cause a given wikitext input to give different HTML in Parsoid compared to MW, should have been detected during automated testing, prior to beta deployment. I don't know why we need users to report them. 500+ edits are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: It would imply that Wikimedia thinks preference bloat is an appropriate way forward for expenditure of donor funds. This would be a lie. Each added preference adds to the complexity of our software - so increasing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unable to Create a gerrit account

2013-07-23 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:13 PM, anubhav agarwal anubhav...@gmail.comwrote: I was following this tutorial https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deploymentfor deploying an extension on MediaWiki. It asked me to create a labs/git/gerrit account. When I opened the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Risker
Erik, please stop and listen. Almost without exception, people from all areas of the Wikimedia community are calling on a re-evaluation here. It's lovely to have this vision of the Mediawiki future. But until you get VisualEditor right, you need to get your feet back on the ground. People were

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tim Starling
On 23/07/13 15:23, Erik Moeller wrote: Editing this page in Firefox on a 6-year-old system only slightly faster than the tester's specs today takes about 5 seconds to initialize. In Chrome it takes about 3 seconds, in the ballpark of reloading the page into the source editor. Note that Gabriel

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread K. Peachey
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013, Subramanya Sastry wrote: 500+ edits are being done per hour using Visual Editor 500+ people are making edits with the default editor, I'm pretty sure (without doing stats on it) that a lot of them wouldn't be experienced enough to kill it off -- -- Sent from

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-l] Importing/Exporting Wiki

2013-07-23 Thread Yury Katkov
If you want to export the data from one instance of MW and import it to another instance of MW then XML Dumps will do very well. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Ryan Rick Acta rie...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Do

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Risker
On 23 July 2013 02:32, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 07/22/2013 10:44 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Round-trip bugs, and bugs which cause a given wikitext input to give different HTML in Parsoid compared to MW, should have been detected during automated testing, prior to beta

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I tried editing [[Argentina]] on my laptop just now, it took 45 seconds of CPU time and 51 seconds of wall clock time before the percentage CPU usage began to drop. It's pretty slow. Yes, that's why I said

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: You pretty much had one chance at A/B testing, and it's done now. You can't repeat the tests as long as VE is the default editor. That's not correct at all. It's still entirely possible to deliver different editing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Chad
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: Here's a thought experiment: if visual editing had existed (with reasonable functionality) since day 1, would there ever have been a way to disable it, let alone a hue and cry over a lack of a way to disable it? This isn't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 07/22/2013 10:44 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Round-trip bugs, and bugs which cause a given wikitext input to give different HTML in Parsoid compared to MW, should have been detected during automated testing, prior

Re: [Wikitech-l] Long term strategy for math on wikipedia

2013-07-23 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
I'm wondering if the lack of reactions so far is positive or negative. It's negative, it shows that few people have the confidence to think they have something worthwhile to contribute on this niche area. :( Output: I'd love to support MathML as primary direction, but I still see huge problems

[Wikitech-l] Listing missing words of wiktionnaries

2013-07-23 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Hello, Here is what I would like to do : generating reports which give, for a given language, a list of words which are used on the web with a number evaluating its occurencies, but which are not in a given wiktionary. How would you recommand to implemente that within the wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Listing missing words of wiktionnaries

2013-07-23 Thread Bináris
Once you have a list of words which are used on the web (this must be got from an outer source, nothing to do it within Wiktionary), the easiest way is to run a bot, e.g. Pywikipedia. 2013/7/23 Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org Hello, Here is what I would like to do : generating

Re: [Wikitech-l] Listing missing words of wiktionnaries

2013-07-23 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
http://storage.googleapis.com/books/ngrams/books/datasetsv2.html 2013/7/23 Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com Once you have a list of words which are used on the web (this must be got from an outer source, nothing to do it within Wiktionary), the easiest way is to run a bot, e.g. Pywikipedia.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On the first point, right now, we're approaching categories and similar page metadata from the point of view of the editing surface as an entrypoint. This makes sense if you simply try to map all aspects of markup (which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2013/7/23 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com What we need is for you and Erik to recognize that you're wrong and to make this right. Is there anyone besides you and Erik who agree with the position you're taking here? They are not alone. I also agree with their position, and I sincerely hope we

[Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

2013-07-23 Thread Quim Gil
GSoC mentors: read this email through and submit your mid-term evaluation between 29 July - 2 August in Google Melange. One per project is enough. If the primary mentor can't make it then the secondary mentor needs to step in. VERY IMPORTANT Missing this deadline means the cancellation of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Derric Atzrott
snip Since the devs implemented resource loader it has become harder and harder to block the poorly developed bloat that has crept into mediawiki. I used to be able to isolate the JavaScript file causing the issues (I remember BITS geolocation being a major hog) and just block it. Now thats not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Derric Atzrott
However, from a user's standpoint, it still doesn't make a ton of sense to do it that way. If I just want to add a category, I shouldn't have to invoke an editing surface at all. Similarly, if I want to turn a page into a redirect, I shouldn't have to edit the page at all. As most of you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Long term strategy for math on wikipedia

2013-07-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: So what I would actually propose for the short term (next few years) in case we really want to go the direction of MathML is the following: 1: img tag + --data-math=formulaID in HTML 2: script to detect

Re: [Wikitech-l] Listing missing words of wiktionnaries

2013-07-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: Once you have a list of words which are used on the web (this must be got from an outer source, nothing to do it within Wiktionary), the easiest way is to run a bot, e.g. Pywikipedia. Rather than writing a bot, you might

Re: [Wikitech-l] Long term strategy for math on wikipedia

2013-07-23 Thread Max Semenik
On 23.07.2013, 19:30 C. wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: So what I would actually propose for the short term (next few years) in case we really want to go the direction of MathML is the following: 1: img tag +

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

2013-07-23 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: PS: fwiw I'm starting a week of holidays tomorrow and then I will be flying to Hong Kong for Wikimania on Aug 1-2. If you need and org admin Lydia Pintscher will be able to help you. As Quim said I am available to answer any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Subramanya Sastry
Hi John and Risker, First off, I do want to once again clarify that my intention in the previous post was not to claim that VE/Parsoid is perfect. It was more that we've fixed sufficient bugs at this point that the most significant bugs (bugs, not missing features) that need fixing (and are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Listing missing words of wiktionnaries

2013-07-23 Thread Jean-Frédéric
Hello, Here is what I would like to do : generating reports which give, for a given language, a list of words which are used on the web with a number evaluating its occurencies, but which are not in a given wiktionary. How would you recommand to implemente that within the wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

2013-07-23 Thread Raylton P. Sousa
If you both will be traveling, who will do the work of the org adm. Eg. on IRC 2013/7/23 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: PS: fwiw I'm starting a week of holidays tomorrow and then I will be flying to Hong

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

2013-07-23 Thread Raylton P. Sousa
? 2013/7/23 Raylton P. Sousa raylton.so...@gmail.com If you both will be traveling, who will do the work of the org adm. Eg. on IRC 2013/7/23 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: PS: fwiw I'm starting a week of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
On 23 jul. 2013, at 18:06, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: A leading line feed in a parameter - what the? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Sam_%26_Cat_episodescurid=39469556diff=565437324oldid=565416618 This is something I'll have to investigate. This is

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Job Offer: Technical Position for WLM 2013

2013-07-23 Thread Cristian Consonni
You may be interested in this. Cristian -- Forwarded message -- From: Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in Date: 2013/7/23 Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Job Offer: Technical Position for WLM 2013 To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On a side note, I find it interesting how none of the actual VE and Parsoid developers replied here, apart from Roan, Chris and Subbu on off-topic technical issues (thanks for that). -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] ContentHandler hook deprecations

2013-07-23 Thread Ori Livneh
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.orgwrote: Do you have any recommendations for how we should handle deprecations? Is this done on a case-by-case basis? Most of the deprecated hooks have ContentHandler-aware replacements with compatible signatures. The

[Wikitech-l] Gitblit down?

2013-07-23 Thread Derric Atzrott
Afternoon, Anyone else having issues getting at Gitblit? I've not been able to get at it for the past half hour or so. Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

2013-07-23 Thread Chris McMahon
Just confirming that nothing is required for OPW and that this is only for GSoC -Chris On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: GSoC mentors: read this email through and submit your mid-term evaluation between 29 July - 2 August in Google Melange. One per project is

Re: [Wikitech-l] ContentHandler hook deprecations

2013-07-23 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: Daniel was diligent about adding wfDeprecated calls to the deprecated methods that the older hooks calls. I wonder if we could add a Jenkins check that flags usage of deprecated features. A sophisticated version would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Robert Rohde
In the interest of gathering slightly larger statistics, I manually reviewed 200 VE entries on recent changes. I am classifying these as * Good edit * Test edits / newbie errors likely to happen in either editor (not VE's fault) * Obvious vandal edit (not VE's fault) * Damaged source that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Risker
Why do you think those nowiki tags were added by the editors? Risker On 23 July 2013 15:32, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: In the interest of gathering slightly larger statistics, I manually reviewed 200 VE entries on recent changes. I am classifying these as * Good edit * Test

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gitblit down?

2013-07-23 Thread Chad
It's been flakey the past few days. I've been trying to get to the bottom of it. -Chad On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Afternoon, Anyone else having issues getting at Gitblit? I've not been able to get at it for the past half hour or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread John
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: snip Since the devs implemented resource loader it has become harder and harder to block the poorly developed bloat that has crept into mediawiki. I used to be able to isolate the JavaScript file causing the

Re: [Wikitech-l] VE and nowiki

2013-07-23 Thread Steve Summit
Risker wrote: On 23 July 2013 15:32, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: * Corrupted page content that appears to be caused by the unfamiliar UI (e.g. nowiki[[Foo]]/nowiki) Why do you think those nowiki tags were added by the editors? I assume that since it's VE's job to be wysiwyg, and to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com wrote: Risker asks: Why do you think those nowiki tags were added by the editors? I can't speak for the original poster, but the last time I used VE, it added unwanted nowiki tags by itself. You can see an example in my most

Re: [Wikitech-l] VE and nowiki

2013-07-23 Thread Roan Kattouw
Whoops, didn't realize this thread had been forked off while I was out to lunch, and so I responded to the other thread. Sorry about that :( On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: This is a likely enough mistake, and the number of times you really want explicit

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

2013-07-23 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just confirming that nothing is required for OPW and that this is only for GSoC Correct. This formal evaluation is for GSoC. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

2013-07-23 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Raylton P. Sousa raylton.so...@gmail.com wrote: If you both will be traveling, who will do the work of the org adm. Eg. on IRC Me. I am available on IRC until Monday. I would assume you are all old enough to come to me with pressing questions until then :) And

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 23/07/13 21:12, Bartosz Dziewoński a écrit : On a side note, I find it interesting how none of the actual VE and Parsoid developers replied here, apart from Roan, Chris and Subbu on off-topic technical issues (thanks for that). I am myself not replying because I don't want to be involved.

Re: [Wikitech-l] VE and nowiki

2013-07-23 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: VE will (correctly, from its point of view) translate that to nowiki[[pagename]]/nowiki in the page source. This is a likely enough mistake, and the number of times you really want explicit double square brackets is small

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I am a Parsoid developer. I was participant #6 in the thread. As noted, reponses #14 and #16 were also from VE developers, and our contributions have continued. From my perspective the devs involved have done a pretty good job of picking out technical content from the discussion and acting on

Re: [Wikitech-l] ContentHandler hook deprecations

2013-07-23 Thread S Page
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: I see now that setting $wgDevelopmentWarnings = true will manifest usage of deprecated methods in PHP's error log, ... I'll do my bit by enable this setting on MediaWiki-Vagrant :) I did my bit by mentioning it in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Long term strategy for math on wikipedia

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Krautzberger
@praveenp do you know if bug 48032 is fixable with texvc? @Derk-Jan could you give some background on your MathJax is a nightmare comment? Have their been specific reports or complaints? Or is this something specific out of development (like the float issue)? It seems MathJax is slower on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Chris McMahon
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com wrote: Risker asks: Of course those nowiki tags weren't added by the editors, VE doesn't let you do that directly. What I think Robert was talking

[Wikitech-l] !ask

2013-07-23 Thread Ori Livneh
Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC? ori-l: !ask wm-bot: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question. It's annoying when people ask to ask, but the people who do so do it out of insecurity or lack of experience, and so they're the last people we should be siccing our bots on. I've

Re: [Wikitech-l] !ask

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
Yeah I agree. Whenever I see it used I cringe a little bit thinking about how the other person is reading it. --Tyler Romeo On Jul 23, 2013 5:51 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC? ori-l: !ask wm-bot: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your

Re: [Wikitech-l] VE and nowiki

2013-07-23 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: There is an enhancement for that. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51897 IMO the current behaviour isnt correct. There are so few instances that nowiki is desirable, that the current VE should refuse to

Re: [Wikitech-l] !ask

2013-07-23 Thread Chad
[14:54] ^demon !ask del [14:54] wm-bot Successfully removed ask -Chad On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah I agree. Whenever I see it used I cringe a little bit thinking about how the other person is reading it. --Tyler Romeo On Jul 23, 2013 5:51

[Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi John and Risker, First off, I do want to once again clarify that my intention in the previous post was not to claim that VE/Parsoid is perfect. It was more that we've fixed sufficient bugs at this point that

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:28 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi John and Risker, First off, I do want to once again clarify that my intention in the previous post was not to claim that

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 07/23/2013 05:28 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi John and Risker, First off, I do want to once again clarify that my intention in the previous post was not to claim that VE/Parsoid is perfect. It was more that

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 07/23/2013 05:28 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi John and Risker, First off, I do want to once again clarify that my intention in

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: http://parsoid.wmflabs.org:8001/stats This is the url for our round trip testing on 160K pages (20K each from 8 wikipedias). Fantastic! How frequently are those tests re-run? Could you add a last-run-date on

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 07/23/2013 06:13 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 07/23/2013 05:28 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi John and Risker, First off, I do

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:24 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Was a regression testsuite built using the issues encountered during the last parser rewrite? Yes, mediawiki/core/tests/parser/parserTests.txt (which predates parsoid) has been continuously updated throughout

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 07/23/2013 06:02 PM, Subramanya Sastry wrote: On 07/23/2013 05:28 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: VE and Parsoid devs have put in a lot and lot of effort to recognize broken wikitext source, fix it or isolate it, My point was that you dont appear to be doing analysis of how of all Wikipedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://parsoid.wmflabs.org:8001/stats This is the url for our round trip testing on 160K pages (20K each from 8 wikipedias). Very minor point .. there are ~400 missing pages on the list; is that intentional ? ;-)

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 07/23/2013 06:55 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://parsoid.wmflabs.org:8001/stats This is the url for our round trip testing on 160K pages (20K each from 8 wikipedias). Very minor point .. there are ~400

Re: [Wikitech-l] dirty diffs and VE

2013-07-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:55 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://parsoid.wmflabs.org:8001/stats This is the url for our round trip testing on 160K pages (20K each from 8 wikipedias). Very

Re: [Wikitech-l] VE and nowiki

2013-07-23 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: snip We disagree on that one then. VisualEditor is meant to hide wikitext entirely. The primary focus is on people that don't know wikitext. I agree that we should keep nowiki-fication to a minimum and get rid of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Branching Scribunto for 1.19

2013-07-23 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 07/23/2013 12:05 PM, Łukasz Garczewski wrote: I'd appreciate if you could let me know when the code is available. I branched this. Still have things to work on: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/75142/ -- http://hexmode.com/ Love alone reveals the true shape of the universe. --

Re: [Wikitech-l] !ask

2013-07-23 Thread MZMcBride
Ori Livneh wrote: Can we deprecate usage of '!ask' on IRC? ori-l: !ask wm-bot: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question. It's annoying when people ask to ask, but the people who do so do it out of insecurity or lack of experience, and so they're the last people we should be siccing our

[Wikitech-l] Toss around a project idea in IdeaLab, maybe get a grant?

2013-07-23 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab IdeaLab is an incubator for people to share ideas to improve Wikimedia projects and collaboratively develop them into plans and grant proposals. I'm cross-posting to the developer and researcher lists because I could imagine some of you following

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread James Forrester
On 22 July 2013 18:35, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 22 July 2013 11:45, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Putting all of the issues aside, I'd like to know what the reason is for hiding the preference. Let's assume for a second that VE does not hinder users at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Alex Monk
Thank you for changing your mind. I might have missed something, but is there any schedule for when VisualEditor will be considered 'out of beta'? Or is it simply a case of the VE team deciding that it's stable enough? Alex Monk On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:55 AM, James Forrester

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:55 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I hope that as few users as possible will choose this way to degrade their experience and deprive the community of their input. Instead of endlessly arguing the point about this, I'd rather my team and I spending

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: I might have missed something, but is there any schedule for when VisualEditor will be considered 'out of beta'? Not so soon that we couldn't afford to let this thread die down for a bit.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Rob Moen
I personally know for a fact nobody is trying to trick the user in this case.   We are simply trying to make editing easier for new editors without confusing them.  As a membwr f the visual editor team, I'm supportive of our advanced and seemingly more important editors opt-out during the beta.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Rob Moen
My apologies for the ham handed email.  I'm supportive of the opt out feature while ve is in beta.  Going forward I agree with the notion that experienced editors know what editor they want to use before the page completely loads.  I like the idea of a preference to select a default editor.  —

[Wikitech-l] Page view stats failure

2013-07-23 Thread Ikuya Yamada
Hello, It seems that the page view statistics data does not contain the actual data for the last few hours. http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/2013/2013-07/ Are there any failures on the server-side? Thanks, Ikuya ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gitblit down?

2013-07-23 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 15:28 -0400, Derric Atzrott wrote: Anyone else having issues getting at Gitblit? I've not been able to get at it for the past half hour or so. It's intermittent but happens quite often for the last days: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51769 andre --

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I know that this crafty UI was introduced to encourage users to use the new editor. The trouble is, this assumes that users have no idea which editor they want to use, and thus will happily use whatever editor the JS

Re: [Wikitech-l] Page view stats failure

2013-07-23 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Jul 24, 2013 12:43 AM, Ikuya Yamada ik...@sfc.keio.ac.jp wrote: It seems that the page view statistics data does not contain the actual data for the last few hours. http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/2013/2013-07/ Are there any failures on the server-side? Just looking at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-23 Thread Tim Starling
I wrote: I think users should be encouraged to use VE by making VE really awesome, and by promoting its awesomeness, rather than by trying to trick them into using it. To clarify: I didn't mean to imply that the VE team were trying to trick users. They are not. I just mean that if you consider

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gitblit down?

2013-07-23 Thread Chad
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 15:28 -0400, Derric Atzrott wrote: Anyone else having issues getting at Gitblit? I've not been able to get at it for the past half hour or so. It's intermittent but happens quite often for