[Wikitech-l] keeping apihelp messages in the end of JSON i18n files

2014-11-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, The JSON i18nj files in MediaWiki extensions are getting filled by apihelp messages. They are usually added to the end of the files. In addition to docs internationalization, which is pretty awesome by itself, this happens to have another somewhat useful side effect on the i18n files

Re: [Wikitech-l] keeping apihelp messages in the end of JSON i18n files

2014-11-08 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Keeping the apihelp messages in the end and adding all other messages before them prevents this comma-adding and shortens the diff by one line. It is, of course, a small thing, but it saves a few moments when

Re: [Wikitech-l] keeping apihelp messages in the end of JSON i18n files

2014-11-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
OTOH, you're likely to get the same effect by sorting the i18n files by key (which I recently learned some teams enforce), since it's not that common that you add a new message alphabetically after every other message in the file. Sorting alphabetically by key seems rather pointless to me,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-08 Thread Eran Rosenthal
+1 for disabling CAPTCHs (at least in signup form). Anyway, sysops already have enougth tools for treating abuse by spam bots using AbuseFilter (e.g with rate filter). On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:19 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Tim Starling wrote: On 07/11/14 19:17, svetlana wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-08 Thread Lila Tretikov
We seem to really gravitate towards complexity on these things. How can we make them simple, addressing a very specific need. We can complicate later. Here is a scenario (which we should start with, not architecture) 1. As an editor I'd like to flag a revision as reviewed/verified by me

[Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-08 Thread Nkansah Rexford
One session I really looked forward to at the Wikimania was the one on Visual Editor and the talk on RealTime Editing (the one presented by Erik). Of course, I enjoyed, seeing some of the nice future goals of how realtime editing could be possible, however with very strong huddles to overcome.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-08 Thread Brian Wolff
Honestly i dont think anyone's even tried to improve the conflict screen. There's probably a lot of low hanging fruit on the usability of edit conflicts which could be persued that have nothing to do with the hard, real time editing solutions (as cool as those are). If someone is intrested in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-08 Thread Nkansah Rexford
Looked for it and found this doc on it: http://codex.wordpress.org/Post_Locking Your points are also valid, at least far better than the current diff system which isn't that easy to understand what is actually going on or whatnot. On Nov 8, 2014 10:01 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-08 Thread Nkansah Rexford
The fact that no one has even tried improving the conflict issue in simplest way possible for years now is even something a bit strange. On Nov 8, 2014 10:01 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly i dont think anyone's even tried to improve the conflict screen. There's probably a lot

[Wikitech-l] Second release candidate for MediaWiki 1.24.0

2014-11-08 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
The second release candidate for 1.24.0 (1.24.0-rc.1) is now available for download. The changes since 1.24.0-rc.0 are as follows: * (bug 70686) More sensible behavior when special page aliases conflict. * (bug 71040) Add Oracle version of update-keys.sql. * (bug 64912, 64922) mw.Title: Add

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-08 Thread Pine W
It might be worth asking the Editing team if improving the handling of edit conflicts is something that they have on their agenda or if they can add it next to their agenda for the next FY, or if this project would be a good GSOC/OPW project. James, can you comment? I know you're busy with VE and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-08 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I think that's unfair. Wikis have a serious spam problem. People associate CAPTCHAs with spam prevention. On the English Wikipedia, one of the actions that results in the user being required to successfully enter a CAPTCHA

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-08 Thread Brian Wolff
For some more background, when we proposed something like that to Chris Steipp he was pretty iffy about it, and he's not wrong. At other sites that don't have a CAPTCHA on signup (like Facebook, Quora, others) they avoid a spam problem in part because they require an email address and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-08 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
I suspect it isn't done because it isn't a very good way to modify a complex embedded base of software, Lila. Generally, when modifying a complex embedded base, one designs first, iterates implementation and internal testing, and then releases a relatively complete piece of functionality.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-08 Thread Aaron Halfaker
Hey Erik, I'm glad to see that we're imagining similar things. :) This project has been on my to-do list for years. I don't think that building a well-designed service and starting in labs are conflicting options. Regardless this project is marching forward in the next couple of months. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-08 Thread Risker
Umm. No. If ever you want major pushback from the broad international community, requiring any kind of documentation to open an account will probably work very well. I certainly would never have signed up for an account on Wikipedia if I'd had to supply an email address. Risker/Anne On 9

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-08 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, I suspect it isn't done because it isn't a very good way to modify a complex embedded base of software, Lila. Generally, when modifying a complex embedded base, one designs first, iterates implementation and internal testing, and then releases a relatively complete piece of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-08 Thread Pine W
We're talking about a test, not a broad rollout (: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway email address would have discouraged you from opening a Wikimedia account? Pine ___ Wikitech-l mailing