Re: [Wikitech-l] [Ops] Backport and Config changes window (name change)

hmm, What about B? Similar when we call "Trust and Safety" as "T" On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 11:26 PM Martin Urbanec wrote: > I think we need some shorter version to refer to this window. New name is > cool, but swat is shorter. > > Martin > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 5:17 PM Max Binder wrote: > >> I

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

of years and her work was invaluable in solving complex issues while it hasn't been public and barely anyone knows her contributions. Thank you Lucie. Best On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:27 PM Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Quick correction the final date is *09 June 2020* and not *09 June 2019" &

[Wikitech-l] Deprecation of a global function in mediawiki.

Hello, The global function "wfWaitForSlaves()" that has been soft deprecated [1] since 1.27 is now hard deprecated (from master and subsequently 1.35 release) and will be removed soon. Please use LBFactory::waitForReplication instead. I would like to thank Sam Reed for cleaning up all of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] "Fixing redirects" to "improve performance"

Hey, In general, the performance implications of an edit for fixing redirects heavily outweighs the small improvement of removing a redirect. The biggest exception to that is main pages of wikis (which redirecting en.wikipedia.org to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_page actually wastes 27 years of

[Wikitech-l] Update on abstract schema and schema changes

Hello, There has been a lot of progress in abstract schema and abstract schema changes initiative since last time I gave an update on it. So here's another one. *Abstract Schema* So far, more than 90% (51 out 56) of

[Wikitech-l] Re: Why does the train start on Tuesday?

Jon, I think you're misunderstanding the point of the "No Deployment on Friday" policy. Let's look from far, Why is a work day a no-deploy day? Why are we limiting ourselves to a four-day week while we can use our full potential? The reason is that if we deploy something to production on Friday

[Wikitech-l] Thank you Tuesday

Hi, Lots of people thanked me for deploying mailman3 but I want to mention that it would have not been possible without Wikimedia Cloud Services team giving a lot of resources to me so I could have a test setup and puppetize mailman3 easily which in turn made deployment to production much easier.

[Wikitech-l] Re: Mailman 3 - is there an API available?

There have been requests to build something similar (for example automated tools for checking only users with certain rights would have access to the internal mailing list of that right) and the good thing it's now much easier to do in mailman3. I hope to get around to doing it soon. I make sure

Re: [Wikitech-l] [pywikibot] Thank you Xqt

Seconding that. Thank you for all your hard work! On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 12:29 AM Kunal Mehta wrote: > I was looking at Pywikibot's commit stats for something and noticed that > as of earlier today, `git shortlog -s` reports that Xqt hit 4,000 > commits in the pywikibot/core repository! > > For

[Wikitech-l] Re: New Code of Conduct committee candidates

Hello, Since no objections have been raised by the community in the given period, the committee is now in effect. Welcome Ariel, Effie and Kunal, and thank you Matanya, Tonina and Tpt for your service. Best On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:24 AM Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Hello, > The committ

[Wikitech-l] Abstract Schema: An Update

Hello, If you missed the previous updates, there's the first and the second

[Wikitech-l] Re: Upstream shutdowns

I think one part of the problem is that we don't have a comprehensive catalog of our dependencies and their dependencies (and so on). Having such list helps us understand hidden patterns in our infra ("we are depending too much on facebook products") or try to reduce complexities by harmonizing

[Wikitech-l] Re: Upstream shutdowns

That's pretty good but I feel something specific to Wikimedia is needed. Like analytics cluster, wmcs, ... and It should be in wikitech. It'll be so big that I think it would need subpages, etc. Just thinking out loud. On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 5:22 PM Kunal Mehta wrote: > On 6/5/21 10:56 AM, A

[Wikitech-l] Mailman2 is now shut down (T52864)

That's it. That's the email. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/

[Wikitech-l] Re: Stream of recent changes diffs

Note on ORES as one of its maintainers: ORES doesn't use recent changes for getting content and scoring edits. It hits the API. HTH On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 3:18 PM Robin Hood wrote: > I’m no expert, but I believe the only way to get a diff via the API is > through

[Wikitech-l] Changes to storage of files metadata

Hello, If you don't do anything with metadata fields of file tables (image table for example) in replicas, you can ignore this email. "image" table in Wikimedia Commons is extremely big (more than 380GB compressed) and has been causing multiple major issues (including an incident recently). Deep

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech logo

Hi, Reminder: You have only four days to vote on the new logo. Best On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 6:28 PM Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Hello, > I'm once again asking you to vote on a logo. This time is the new Wikitech > logo since its original one was derived from the old MediaWiki logo that

[Wikitech-l] Herald rules

Hi, I'm really sorry for sending email to such a large venue but I couldn't find a better mailing list. Feel free to ignore this email if you don't do anything with Herald rules. Herald rules, a set of rules in phabricator to automate the work, are expensive and slowly making saving any change on

[Wikitech-l] Mailman3 is now deployed to production, mailing lists are upgrading

Hello, TLDR: Mailman3 is now available for general use, all mailing lists will be migrated in the next couple of weeks, providing everyone with a much better mailing list experience. You will notice some changes, let us know if you run into issues. Long version: We're happy to announce that

[Wikitech-l] Test Mailman3 in production

Hello, tl;dr: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org is running mailman3. Please help us test the software before we upgrade the real mailing list server. Kunal and I have been working on deploying the new mailman (version 3) to replace mailman2 serving https://lists.wikimedia.org and powering all of

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Test Mailman3 in production

, or that it can be empty and just keep the subject > line the same? > > Cheers, > > Deb > > -- > > deb tankersley (she/her) > > senior program manager, engineering > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:40 AM Pankaj Jangid >

[Wikitech-l] Logo of MediaWiki has changed

Hello, After more than one year of design, discussion, vote, iteration, and months of legal work, I’m happy to announce that the logo of MediaWiki has been officially changed. This applies to both the software and logo of https://mediawiki.org. The old logo of MediaWiki was adopted slightly more

Re: [Wikitech-l] about jawp mailing list

Hi, It's https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271123 Feel free to subscribe. At the current state, if you fix that, something else breaks. The proper solution would be to migrate to mailman3 (which is slowly making progress: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864) Best On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at

[Wikitech-l] FlaggedRevs (Pending changes) extension and its future

Hello, This extension is one of the oldest extensions we still have in production and currently does not have a maintainer. FlaggedRevs has been the cause of several incidents and visible regressions specially since software decays and our environment constantly changes. Another problem with this

[Wikitech-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

Hello all, It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Code of Conduct (CoC) committee. The Code of Conduct Committee is a team of five trusted individuals plus five auxiliary members with diverse affiliations responsible for general enforcement of the

[Wikitech-l] Issue with jitsi - Anyone knows why?

Hello, I usually wouldn't bother people with my issues but I'm sorta desperate here. This is about https://meet.wmcloud.org. WM Cloud jitsi instance. It's on a bigram VM and on docker . Users report that when using this "a

[Wikitech-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

Hello, The committee has finished selecting new members and the new committee candidates are (In alphabetical order): - Amir Sarabadani - Kunal Mehta - Martin Urbanec - MusikAnimal - Tony Thomas And auxiliary members will be (Also in alphabetical order): - Ariel Glenn

[Wikitech-l] Wikitech logo

Hello, I'm once again asking you to vote on a logo. This time is the new Wikitech logo since its original one was derived from the old MediaWiki logo that has now changed. You can see this ticket for previous discussion and proposals of the new wikitech

[Wikitech-l] Phasing out old jQuery versions

Hi, (If you don't use jQuery in your code or gadgets, you can ignore this email) in 2017 jQuery 3 got deployed to production and a backward compatibility layer was introduced to prevent old codes from breaking. Since then it has been emitting warnings in your console. All start with "JQMIGRATE".

[Wikitech-l] Re: Phasing out old jQuery versions

Gonna be fun) > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 3:52 PM Amir Sarabadani > wrote: > >> Hi, >> (If you don't use jQuery in your code or gadgets, you can ignore this >> email) >> >> in 2017 jQuery 3 got deployed to production and a backward compatibility >> l

[Wikitech-l] Re: Goto for microoptimisation

It might be interesting to point out to discussions around use of goto in Linux Kernel: https://koblents.com/Ches/Links/Month-Mar-2013/20-Using-Goto-in-Linux-Kernel-Code/ https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.10/process/coding-style.html#centralized-exiting-of-functions IIRC (from a presentation by

[Wikitech-l] Re:  Summary of 1.37.0-wmf.17 train deployment

Indeed. James is one of the best things that has happened to the movement. Kunal Mehta schrieb am Do., 12. Aug. 2021, 09:04: > On 8/11/21 5:56 PM, Mukunda Modell wrote: > > Yes I know James is mentioned twice. There really aren't enough > > thank-yous for all that James does. > > This, 100%. <3

[Wikitech-l] Re: [Wikimedia-l] Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

ad below): > > - Uploads: Support for large file uploads / Keeping bulk upload tools > online > > - Video: Debugging + rolling out the videojs player > > - Formats: Adding support for CML and dozens of other common high-demand > file formats > > - Thumbs: Updating thumb

[Wikitech-l] Changes to maximum allowed time for RecentChanges and several other special pages

a look at the ticket: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297708 Thank you -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsu

[Wikitech-l] Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

(Speaking in my volunteer capacity) I doubt there is any malicious intent by WMF. I personally think the underlying problem is time. Let me explain. Fixing a big issue in software takes time (I wrote a long essay about it in this thread) so it makes sense WMF annual planning to focus on issues

[Wikitech-l] Re: 錄 Diving Into Wikimedia Deployment Data

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 1:51 AM Risker wrote: > Thank you very much for sharing this data, Tyler (and to the team that > researched and analysed it, as well). I think it shows that the train has > been pretty successful in mitigating the issues it was intended to > improve. > > I note the data

[Wikitech-l] Changes in schema of MediaWiki links tables

://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T24. Thanks -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitec

[Wikitech-l] Re: ClassCrawler – extremely fast and structured code search engine

I co maintain codesearch with Kunal and I have similar notes. I hope instead of duplicating the work, we could join forces to improve the development productivity infrastructure. Codesearch has been working fine in the past couple of years. There is a new frontend being built and I hope we can

[Wikitech-l] Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] [invitation to participate] Listening Sessions for the Technical Decision-Making Retrospective

Hi, I think the email somehow didn't reach wikitech-l and some other mailing lists (except ambassadors) Am Mo., 4. Sept. 2023 um 15:46 Uhr schrieb Benoît Evellin (Trizek) < bevel...@wikimedia.org>: > Hello all, > > > Sorry for cross-posting. > > The Technical Decision-Making Forum Retrospective

[Wikitech-l] Re: Announcing Codex 1.0

I want to echo what the DJ has said. I managed to write a pretty decent gadget in just a couple of hours thanks to Codex, something that used to take days at least. This is really exciting to see. Thank you to all who have worked on this tirelessly for years. Kudos and congratulations. Am Mi.,

[Wikitech-l] Changes in schema of pagelinks tables

itech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U2U6TXIBABU3KDCVUOITIGI5OJ4COBSW/> . Thank you, -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikime

[Wikitech-l] Three new rdbms changes

s/UrlShortener/+/963293>) for how adoption is done. Thank you, -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedi

[Wikitech-l] Removal of revision_actor_temp table

it ASAP. Hopefully this should make your queries much simpler. Keep in mind a similar work will happen on revision_comment_temp table in the future. You can follow the work in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T275246 Best -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia

[Wikitech-l] Re: Changes in schema of MediaWiki links tables

to use the new schema as we will slowly stop writing to tl_namespace and tl_title fields and drop them in the next month. Best Am Di., 29. März 2022 um 15:37 Uhr schrieb Amir Sarabadani < asarabad...@wikimedia.org>: > (If you don’t work with links tables such as templatelinks, pagelinks

[Wikitech-l] Re: Abstract Schema: Milestone reached for WMF Deployed Extensions

Thank you so much for taking the lead on this Der Umherirrende! Congratulations on such a massive achievement. This will have an everlasting impact and I'm planning to use this work to start fixing drifts of extensions soon (once we are done with fixing core drifts) Awesome work. On Fri, Jul

[Wikitech-l] Proposed change to the MediaWiki database policy

to abstract schema. You can find the proposal in here. Please take a look and comment: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_database_policy If there are no major objections by the end of August 2022, I will codify this into the policy. Best -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect

[Wikitech-l] Re:  Fresh 22.05 released!

Thank you for making and maintaining fresh. It's really useful. On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:18 PM Krinkle wrote: > This release promotes Node.js 14 to be the default for the fresh-node > command. > > Get started by installing, updating, or learning more, at: >

[Wikitech-l] Re: Deletion of 5000+ pages forbidden

Solving the ticket MatmaRex mentioned (T20493) would remove the 5,000 limitation and address several other major tech debt in our databases. It's on the roadmap of the database work (T297633) and I hope to start it later in this year or early next. It will take a while but we will get there and

[Wikitech-l] Re: Proposed change to the MediaWiki database policy

Hello, Here is the last call. If no objection comes in by the end of this week, I'll add it to the policy. Best Am Fr., 15. Juli 2022 um 14:21 Uhr schrieb Amir Sarabadani < asarabad...@wikimedia.org>: > Hello, > We have a proposal to make small adjustments to the MediaWiki datab

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki core schema drifts with production databases

so a big thank you to several of our amazing developers, Umherirrender, James Forrester and Sam Reed who helped on reporting, going through the history of MediaWiki to figure out why these drifts happened, and helping build the reporting tools. Best -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database A

[Wikitech-l] Re: Feedback wanted: PHPCS in a static types world

Hi, A great initiative, thank you! I am generally in favor of this proposal but just want to give a cautionary tale. It's a bit off-topic but important. Given that there is no actual enforcing mechanism for the documentation typehints, some of them have actually drifted from reality. I caused a

[Wikitech-l] Request for feedback: Two changes related to databases in MediaWiki

hp [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T237839#8268173 [5] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/832625/6/includes/api/ApiQueryDeletedrevs.php [6] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/841940/ Thank you -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Found

[Wikitech-l] Proposal on redesigning externallinks table: Request for feedback

ech support to 740+ Wikimedia projects, starting with Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata." Best -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Re: Changes in schema of MediaWiki links tables

d the impact of this normalization on the health of our databases. Here are the reports for s5 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299417#8143953> and s2 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T314041#8146798>. Best Am Di., 31. Mai 2022 um 15:42 Uhr schrieb Amir Sarabadani < asarabad...@w

[Wikitech-l] Re: No Commons Uploads

Hi, It is known and people are working on it. You can check https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ for the status of the incident. Best Am Di., 1. Nov. 2022 um 23:33 Uhr schrieb Martin Domdey : > Hi, > > is it known, that there cannot be uploaded a file to Commons right now? > > Martin ... > > >

[Wikitech-l] Re: Movereason-dropdown

Hi, I suggest creating a ticket so it can be implemented in MediaWiki itself, it sounds like a rather easy and useful feature. Best Am Mi., 30. Nov. 2022 um 03:03 Uhr schrieb Bináris : > As I got no answer, I was forced to solve it myself with JS: >

[Wikitech-l] Re: Avoid invisible characters in page titles

Disallowing invisible characters or cleaning them is a bad idea. Invisible characters are actually heavily used in many languages including Persian (and part of the official manual of style of the language taught in schools) it is downright wrong to check and fix those in many wikis in those

[Wikitech-l] New DB connect/query methods for MediaWiki

from ::select() to SelectQueryBuilder is on-going (T311866 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T311866>). Thank you -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> ___ Wikitech

[Wikitech-l] Re: March 2023 Datacenter Switchover

It's a bit complicated. When SRE sets the read-only mark, they start counting from that time and it starts propagating which takes a while to be actually shown to all users but some users might still see the RO error while some actual writes are happening somewhere else because the cache is not

[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

This is not really about Selena's email but it's so nerdy I still want to talk about what tech debt is and what it isn't. The word tech debt at the beginning meant a very specific thing: When an engineer takes a shortcut to deliver a feature faster. Daniel has a pretty good essay on tech debt:

[Wikitech-l] [CoC] Proposed amendment: Ban on soliciting tech support for hate groups

Hello, In accordance with CoC's amendment policy . The committee proposes an amendment on behalf of one of the community members to be added in unacceptable behavior section

[Wikitech-l] Two breaking changes related to Databases

ver the coming months. Those will not be individually announced. Best -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Architect Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> ___ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscr

[Wikitech-l] New query builders and IConnectionProvider

query builders, and updating code away from ILoadBalancer and ILBFactory would be really appreciated. Together we can improve readability and code health (now with less footguns!). Until the next update, -- Amir Sarabadani (he/him), Staff Database Architect Timo Tijhof, Principal Performance En

[Wikitech-l] [Breaking Change] Two changes regarding searching for proto-relative URLs in external links

m to https instead which also improves storage as every proto-relative URLs takes up two rows. Thank you, -- Amir Sarabadani, Staff Database Architect James Forrester, Staff Software Engineer Timo Tijhof, Principal Performance Engineer ___ Wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Re: ORES To Lift Wing Migration

Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 12:53 Uhr schrieb Brian Wolff : > > Our understanding is that renaming extensions in MediaWiki is a long > and complicated process, so we'll likely not be able to rename it in the > foreseeable future. > > Why? > > Renaming is usually a bad thing because it often confuses

[Wikitech-l] Re: Word embeddings / vector search

On top of the ones mentioned, ores topic detection model (the one that says what wikiproject an article belongs to, an example ) has been using word embedding since 2018-ish. HTH Am Di., 9.

[Wikitech-l] Re: Gerrit replica downtime (30 minutes) tomorrow Tue, 16 May 13:00-15:00 UTC

This means codesearch will be affected (and won't get updated) and possibly even will be down during that time. Best Am Mo., 15. Mai 2023 um 22:03 Uhr schrieb Tyler Cipriani < tcipri...@wikimedia.org>: > Hello > > The read-only Gerrit replica[0] will be down for 30 minutes tomorrow (Tue, > 16

[Wikitech-l] Re: Gerrit replica downtime (30 minutes) tomorrow Tue, 16 May 13:00-15:00 UTC

I made the patch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/labs/codesearch/+/919924 I can merge and deploy it soon. Am Di., 16. Mai 2023 um 00:23 Uhr schrieb Daniel Zahn : > I have used codesearch to search for the config of codesearch with things > like > > >

[Wikitech-l] Re: Python requests broken by urllib3 version 2.x

You can also create an empty virtual env, install all requirements and then do pip freeze > requirements.txt That should take care of pinning Am Fr., 5. Mai 2023 um 13:11 Uhr schrieb Lucas Werkmeister < lucas.werkmeis...@wikimedia.de>: > For the general case of Python projects, I’d argue that a

[Wikitech-l] Re: Comments like Google Docs

I don't think comments on live articles would be useful (as mentioned above) but there are many cases which it can be a game changer. I can think of a couple: - Collaborative drafting: When you want to draft policy, a proposal, a new article, etc. with one or more fellow Wikimedians -

[Wikitech-l] Re: Changes in schema of pagelinks tables

2023 um 13:46 Uhr schrieb Amir Sarabadani < asarabad...@wikimedia.org>: > (If you don’t work with pagelinks table, feel free to ignore this message) > > Hello, > > Here is an update and reminder on the previous announcement > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitt

[Wikitech-l] [Breaking Change] Deprecation of indirect calls to IDBAccessObject constants

t;If it is not reasonably possible for the deprecated code to emit deprecation warnings, hard deprecation can be applied by announcing the removal on wikitech-l in a timely manner." Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience, -- *Amir Sarabadani (he/him)* Staff Database Archite

[Wikitech-l] Re: Changes in schema of pagelinks tables

. We will start dropping the old columns gradually in two weeks. Best Am Di., 16. Jan. 2024 um 11:56 Uhr schrieb Amir Sarabadani < asarabad...@wikimedia.org>: > Hello, > The data migration for several sections have been completed. We will start > dropping the old columns

[Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct Committee -- call for new members

. The deadline for applications is *the end of day on June 25, 2024*. Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you think may be qualified and interested. Best, Amir Sarabadani, on behalf of the Code of Conduct Committee ___ Wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Re: Outages

Hi, Thank you for your email to wikitech-l about this. These days we have a robust alerting infrastructure so when outages like what we had yesterday happens. People who are on-call get notified automatically and start working on it. We were aware of the outage and have been working on fixing

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