Re: [Wikitech-l] 34 TB Wikimedia Commons files on archive.org: you can help

2014-08-02 Thread OQ
S3 prices have dropped since that page was last modified so the 2200 quoted is about 1200 now a month. If the data doesn't need retrieved except for rare cases, putting in on Glacier would drop it closer to 350-400 On Aug 2, 2014 12:51 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks MZ

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread OQ
So I'm confused on the timeline here. Did the commit get merged before the testsuite found the breakage, or did the commit get merged despite the testsuite failing? Either way sounds like When to merge a changeset needs reviewed. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Greg Grossmeier

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread OQ
So the testsuite only runs on merged code and not pending-merge? That sounds like a large oversight. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM, OQ overlo...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm confused on the timeline here. Did

Re: [Wikitech-l] You know, we really should shift to Windows

2013-08-21 Thread OQ
Cloud Company posts blog about how you should move to the cloud; also, water is wet, the sky is blue, more at 11. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: https://twitter.com/hassankhosseini/status/370212655996235776 - he says that this was produced in

Re: [Wikitech-l] GMail sending lots of WIkimedia mail to spam again

2013-08-05 Thread OQ
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com wrote: What is the explanation for this? My spam folder is full of emails from wiki mailing lists too. Perhaps many users don't know how to unsubscribe and mark them as spam and Google filter has learn it? Since

Re: [Wikitech-l] GMail sending lots of WIkimedia mail to spam again

2013-08-05 Thread OQ
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list. I do not know what is different about that one.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bot upload of files over 100MB

2013-06-25 Thread OQ
I would assume given the previous reply that regardless of upload method, chunked or otherwise, there is still the hard limit of how big the resultant file can be. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Jun 25, 2013 5:44 PM, Daniel Mietchen

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.21.0rc1 -- Help test 1.21 and update the announcement

2013-04-02 Thread OQ
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I've just finished preparing the first release candidate for MediaWiki 1.21 and I'd like your help testing it before the final release. Please download the release candidate and test it. If you find any bugs

Re: [Wikitech-l] Better non-MySQL db support

2013-02-25 Thread OQ
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: How can we improve the support for databases like PostgreSQL, Oracle, DB2 and MS SQL? The main issues arise from not keeping these other DBs in mind when writing the queries (and also not using the db layer).

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we need to change the MW release process to better involve the non-WMF community?

2013-02-21 Thread OQ
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: But right now, I don't sense a huge amount of friction between the WMF's needs and the non-WMF MediaWiki-using community. The most that can be said is that the WMF is focused on its sites and doesn't make third

Re: [Wikitech-l] Password requirements RFC

2013-02-11 Thread OQ
I really don't see the drawbacks to making the settings more configurable as long as it defaults to currently configured settings for a wiki. As long as what would trigger a forced password change can be controlled by the end user of the software, I can't think anything that should stop

Re: [Wikitech-l] How can we help Corporations use MW? (Was Re: Comparisons to Confluence)

2013-02-07 Thread OQ
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: (In my current job I'm happily spreading MediaWikis far and wide, albeit with very little customisation. But I'm really keen to use the Visual Editor as soon as it's in a tarball version.) Yes, that is the prime reason

Re: [Wikitech-l] How can we help Corporations use MW? (Was Re: Comparisons to Confluence)

2013-02-07 Thread OQ
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: @Admins who use FCKEditor: please be reminded that be reminded, that FCKEditor has severe security issues. Yes, but as I mentioned until there is a suitable replacement, your choices are: run an insecure wiki, not use

Re: [Wikitech-l] The ultimate bikeshed: typos in commit messages

2013-01-15 Thread OQ
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM, bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, new users may be attracted to the fact that we have high standards. I agree that spelling is a valid reason for a -1. After all, -1 is not the same as a revert in the svn days, it simply means that the

[Wikitech-l] Duplicate API files

2012-11-09 Thread OQ
So I'm trying to figure out if there's some logic behind the similarly named files in the API includes: includes/api/ApiQueryAllimages.php includes/api/ApiQueryAllImages.php includes/api/ApiQueryAllmessages.php includes/api/ApiQueryAllMessages.php includes/api/ApiQueryAllpages.php

Re: [Wikitech-l] Duplicate API files

2012-11-09 Thread OQ
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, OQ overlo...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm trying to figure out if there's some logic behind the similarly named files in the API includes: Actually nevermind, I realized those uncapitalized files in my directory are untracked, some reason they weren't cleaned up

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.20rc2 is about 50 times slower (on openSUSE)

2012-10-25 Thread OQ
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Johannes Weberhofer jweberho...@weberhofer.at wrote: Is there any possibility to check in which section of the code the time is lost? If no other solution, I will next week try to see if a standard mediawiki from an unpacked tar is having the same issues.

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.20rc2 is about 50 times slower (on openSUSE)

2012-10-25 Thread OQ
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Johannes Weberhofer jweberho...@weberhofer.at wrote: Am 25.10.2012 17:03, schrieb OQ: Thank you. I've attached a logfile. Maybe someone could give me hint, what's going wrong. Johannes Forget to attach it or did mailman strip it off? Should be able to put

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.20rc2 is about 50 times slower (on openSUSE)

2012-10-25 Thread OQ
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Johannes Weberhofer jweberho...@weberhofer.at wrote: Stripped of. You can find it here: http://www.weberhofer.at/mediawiki.log Do you have a memcached server defined that isn't actually there or is pointing to the wrong place? That's about the only thing I can

Re: [Wikitech-l] SVG-to-png rendering on Wikimedia

2012-06-26 Thread OQ
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 06/26/2012 03:12 PM, Achim Flammenkamp wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:03:54PM +0200, Platonides wrote: So, the aspect ratio is right. Your problem is that you want it to be a perfect multiple of 7:4.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread OQ
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it evil? Bluntly? Users, for the most part, are stupid. Or rather, they make silly choices that can make systems more vulnerable without knowing better. ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] 403: User account expired toolserver.org/~soxred93

2012-03-12 Thread OQ
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Nasir Khan nasir8...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I use to use some of the tools of the user soxred93. but for last few days it shows that the user account has been expired. Is there any way to up those tools? Hope the source is somewhere, and depending on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Minor git update

2012-03-09 Thread OQ
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Also, mediawiki core is in its final iteration before it begins mirroring as well. I'd encourage people to check it out and see what they think--feedback

Re: [Wikitech-l] Minor git update

2012-03-02 Thread OQ
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Or over SSH if you've got a gerrit account via: `git clone ssh://user@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/example/repo/path.git` Since the other thread has been hijacked, how do we get a gerrit account? I thought I got one

Re: [Wikitech-l] Language templates missing from Mediawiki dumps

2012-02-07 Thread OQ
You sure those aren't interwiki links and not templates? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wednesday wikipedia shut down does not get through

2012-01-18 Thread OQ
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: You should do a straightforward real shutdown instead, and deliver a fake 404 with explanation link. And for several more days. +1 Doing it via 404s

Re: [Wikitech-l] Text browser users won't see your important site notice

2012-01-18 Thread OQ
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: So you know, we were asked by the search engines to not change our response codes. They said it would just make their jobs harder. We aren't indexed like every other site. Strange considering google said to use 503s so it

Re: [Wikitech-l] postgreSQL testing

2012-01-12 Thread OQ
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Dan Nessett wrote: Sorry, my mistake. I forgot to run update. After doing so, I also get only 2 failures. Good to know your previous issues were solved :-) Now we need people to correct the last 2 ones :b One should

Re: [Wikitech-l] JavaScript on Special:UserLogin?

2012-01-11 Thread OQ
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com wrote: You could probably hack around it by using one of the many hooks in the page rendering stack to add the JS module on the pages where it's not already there, but before doing so it's worth thinking about the reason why it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Instructions for setting up regression tests on local machine?

2012-01-06 Thread OQ
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Dan Nessett dness...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:03:14 -0600, OQ wrote: uninstall the pear version and do a make install. Didn't work. # make install ./install-phpunit.sh Installing phpunit with pear Channel pear.phpunit.de is already

Re: [Wikitech-l] Instructions for setting up regression tests on local machine?

2012-01-05 Thread OQ
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Dan Nessett dness...@yahoo.com wrote: So, I upgraded PHPUnit (using pear upgrade phpunit/PHPUnit). This installed 3.4.15 (not 3.5). I am running on Ubuntu 8.04. Anyone have an idea how to get PHPUnit 3.5 installed? uninstall the pear version and do a make

Re: [Wikitech-l] Diff colors - a disaster waiting to happen

2011-12-22 Thread OQ
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Russell Nelson russnel...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of usability, why is this mailing list called Wiki Tech List Lists Wiki Media org? Surely there's some extra duplicate redundancy there there? It isn't, that's just what your $mail_client decided to call it,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia SSL certs changed before expiration

2011-12-20 Thread OQ
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Michael Becker spa...@gmail.com wrote: I just want to make sure this is an intentional change and not a fake cert. 01:04 Ryan_Lane: switching ssl certificate to digicert certificate for wikipedia 00:46 Ryan_Lane: enabling https for *.m.wikipedia.org 00:46

Re: [Wikitech-l] irc bot

2011-12-16 Thread OQ
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/12/11 16:12, OQ wrote: It's java, so if you have the jar you have the source. Are you proposing to *decompile* the java classes? (yes, I do have the .jar) And yes we have that too. Where? I think I have

Re: [Wikitech-l] irc bot

2011-12-15 Thread OQ
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know java, and no one else is actually maintaining the java code of current bot. I didn't say that it's bad because it's written in java, neither that c# is better, I simply said that it's written in java and that no

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git migration progress for MW core

2011-12-15 Thread OQ
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazel...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: that's if you have an LDAP/SVN account. If you do, you'll need to re-clone from the other[0]. [0]

Re: [Wikitech-l] irc bot

2011-12-15 Thread OQ
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: I, for one, appreciate all of the hard work Petr has put into this new bot and am enjoying the functionality. Yeah, it's definitely nice to have

Re: [Wikitech-l] those Jimbo pics are scaring me

2011-11-18 Thread OQ
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Fred Zimmerman zimzaz@gmail.com wrote: good info here http://www.quora.com/Wikipedia/Is-having-Jimmy-Wales-picture-shown-across-the-top-of-every-page-helping-or-hindering-Wikipedia-raise-money https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Temporary password too short

2011-10-26 Thread OQ
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: I do seriously wonder whether it is possible to steal such a password 'within minutes or hours'. My calculation says that to do it within 24 hours, one needs to test 40 million passwords per second. And remember that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Production CI box now in service

2011-10-17 Thread OQ
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, With a lot of help from the folks in ops (special thanks to Rob, Daniel and Ryan), we've gotten the new continuous integration server up and running! Can we please also test the other DB backends, since I know there's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preliminary git module splitup notes (MediaWiki core extensions)

2011-10-05 Thread OQ
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazel...@xs4all.nl wrote: Is that ssh session share thingy also available for Windows users? If you use one of the windows clients that support it[1], I would assume so. 1 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_SSH_clients#Technical

Re: [Wikitech-l] Picture of the Year torrents

2011-09-12 Thread OQ
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: How big is the total .zip / .rar file? I could mirror that one. Best, Huib File sizes are listed on the respective torrent pages, was like 500mb and change and 1.13 gigs ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] alphabetic codes in irc update streams

2011-06-22 Thread OQ
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew if there is a list of the codes that follow the page names in the mediawiki IRC update stream. For example the MB in the following example: If you can read PHP[1] the getIRCline function on 678

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unit testing now working - break it and be reverted

2011-06-16 Thread OQ
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com wrote: Can somebody on Windows/SQLite try running the tests? I'm consistently getting two failures in XmlTest, which Chad apparently is not getting: To hijack, what output from the unit tests should be reported, Errors

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unit testing now working - break it and be reverted

2011-06-16 Thread OQ
1) BlockTest::testInitializerFunctionsReturnCorrectBlock Argument 1 passed to Block::equals() must be an instance of Block, null given, called in /var/www/thedarkcitadel.com/w/tests/phpunit/includes/BlockTest.php on line 72 and defined /var/www/thedarkcitadel.com/w/includes/Block.php:133

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] YouTube and Creative Commons

2011-06-03 Thread OQ
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: Embedding YouTube videos in Wikimedia content would send IP addresses and other information about Wikimedia users to Google.  This is against Wikimedia's privacy policy, as I understand it, and it would certainly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Large number of users unable to access WMF wikis

2011-05-10 Thread OQ
I'm getting the same issue but trying to pull from the svn server traceroute to svn.wikimedia.org (208.80.152.147), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 184.105.143.85 (184.105.143.85) 2.611 ms 2.656 ms 2.747 ms 2 10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.fmt1.he.net (64.62.250.5) 8.341 ms 8.630 ms 8.854 ms

Re: [Wikitech-l] Change in Bugzilla's defaults

2011-04-13 Thread OQ
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. Defaulting new bugs to a low priority doesn't seem very friendly to new users. They don't know (and shouldn't have to know) what the bugmeister's organization is. Then make a triage priority and default them all

Re: [Wikitech-l] Toolserver source control (was Re: Converting to Git?)

2011-03-22 Thread OQ
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Does any of these communities have *daily updates* of its localisations in some 300 languages to its production environment? If so can you give references? Thanks,     GerardM I dont see how neither the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Highest Priority Bugs

2011-03-15 Thread OQ
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 Helder h2ge...@gmail.com: How do you get such a list from bugzilla? Using the advanced search feature, I guess? BZ's options for creating advanced searches are virtually endless (and confusing as a result).

Re: [Wikitech-l] strange page id numbering

2011-02-15 Thread OQ
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Anthony Ventresque (Dr) aventres...@ntu.edu.sg wrote: I was indeed suspecting something like that, but the difference in number of pages is large while we are talking about a relatively short delay (minutes?). Depending on what site you're talking about.

Re: [Wikitech-l] sites using our bandwidth

2011-01-21 Thread OQ
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:02 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: You're talking about hotlinking, right? Looking at the page source of channelsurfing.net, they're clearly hotlinking quite a bit. But as David notes, we generally encourage our content to be spread and used. I particularly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Expensive parser function count

2011-01-11 Thread OQ
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I've always been opposed to that policy. Are you aware of the completely insane things users have sometimes established as

Re: [Wikitech-l] StringFunctions on enwiki?

2010-12-28 Thread OQ
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com wrote: I too don't understand precisely why string functions are so discouraged. I saw extremely complex templates built just to do (with a high server load I suppose in my ignorance...) what could be obtained with an extremely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alternative to opendir() functions?

2010-12-21 Thread OQ
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not looking to integrate these frameworks entirely into MediaWiki; I'm just talking about this one single file with one single class. (to be fair, it's 3 classes, but they're all in that one file). -X! M

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27

2010-09-28 Thread OQ
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, As many of you know, the results of the poll to keep Pending Changes on through a short development cycle were approved for interim usage:

Re: [Wikitech-l] template rendering problems

2010-09-14 Thread OQ
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Brent Palmer b...@brentopalmer.com wrote: We have the same extensions applied as Wikipedia. We also have the wgUseTidy set to true. If you have any ideas about how to troubleshoot this one, I'd appreciate it. Did you install Tidy or just turn the setting on?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-03 Thread OQ
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 03.09.2010, 4:40 Roan wrote: * Shut down #wikimedia-dev (formerly #wikipedia_usability, kind of). The explicit purpose of the channel is to allow development discussion with less noise, but noise here means community

Re: [Wikitech-l] Database drivers

2010-09-03 Thread OQ
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Given those criteria, I think that the following have full support in MediaWiki: * MySQL * SQLite * PostgreSQL Partial support: * Oracle (works, but lacks updates) Experimental * MSSQL * DB2 * Informix? Postgres

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transaction nesting and savepoints

2010-08-31 Thread OQ
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: I propose changing Database::begin() / commit() / rollback() to keep the count in mTrxLevel and perform a savepoint instead of a BEGIN should it be called inside another one. FWIW, I think I hacked one of those locally

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki version statistics

2010-08-05 Thread OQ
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Or indeed, that they don't create new bugs that are even worse (as Kurt Roeckx did with his famous fix for some spurious valgrind warnings in OpenSSL). The onus isn't 100% on Debian, partial blame can be on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Full-disclosure] Someone using Wikipedia to infect others

2010-07-01 Thread OQ
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Christopher Grant chrisgrantm...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Henri Salo he...@nerv.fi Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:36:40 +0300 Subject: [Full-disclosure] Someone using Wikipedia to infect others To:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deletion schema

2010-05-18 Thread OQ
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: It is a generic problem, but it has particularly nasty interactions with RevisionDelete: fundamentally, it can become impossible to tell when, why or by whom a RevDel'd revision was deleted.  The other manifestations of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l] remove me from this mailing list, please!

2010-02-08 Thread OQ
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Stefano Ronzoni endya...@excite.com wrote: REMOVE ME FOR MTHIS MAILING LIST! See that handy link at the bottom of every email, try clicking it. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list