Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours: Shared hosting

[Brian Wolff]

On 12/20/15, James Salsman  wrote:
> Were there any objections to my request below?
>

Yes. As MaxSem said earlier[1], its basically being ignored as being
totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. (To be clear: Third-party
does not mean people who are doing work on Wikimedia sites that aren't
WMF. Third party = Wikis that have nothing to do with Wikimedia wikis
(e.g. wikia, wikihow, uncyclopedia etc))

If you want to get Dispenser his hard disk space, you should take it
up with the labs people, or at the very least some thread where it
would be on-topic.

> Can we also please hire additional database, system, and if necessary
> network administration support to make sure that the third party spam
> prevention bot infrastructure is supported more robustly in the future?

Then by definition it wouldn't be a third-party spam framework if WMF
was running it.

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[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-December/084326.html
[Linking because this thread is super-cross posted, and some people
are going to be confused as to what I'm referring to]

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours: Shared hosting

[James Salsman]

Were there any objections to my request below?

Can we also please hire additional database, system, and if necessary
network administration support to make sure that the third party spam
prevention bot infrastructure is supported more robustly in the future?

On Monday, December 14, 2015, James Salsman  wrote:

> Hi Giles,
>
> I regret I will probably not be available for the IRC office hours as
> scheduled.
>
> In the discussion of shared hosting, I worry that en:User:Dispenser's
> reflinks project, which requires a 20 TB cache, is being forgotten
> again. He tried to host it himself, but it's offline again. This data
> is essential in maintaining an audit trail of references as long as
> the Internet Archive respects robots.txt retroactively, allowing those
> who inherit domains to censor them, even if they have already been
> used as a reference in Wikipedia. Keeping the cache is absolutely a
> fair use right in the US, in both statutory and case law, and it is
> essential to be able to track down patterns of attempts at deceptive
> editing to address quality concerns around deliberately biased editing
> such as paid editing. Because of the sensitivity of this goal, the
> Foundation should certainly bear the risk of hosting the reflinks
> cache. However, in the past, 20 TB was considered excessive, even
> though the cost was shown to be less than $5000 without whatever Dell
> NSA-enabled hardware you usually buy.
>
> Would you please reach out to en:User:Dispenser and offer them the
> 20TB hosting solution they need for the Foundation to bear the risk of
> the reflinks cache?  Thank you for your kind consideration.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours: Shared hosting

[Max Semenik]

James, your message is absolutely an offtopic in this thread aboud shared
hosting of MediaWiki installations by third parties. Could you raise your
concerns in a separate thread, not aiming them at Gilles who is completely
unable to help you as he's simply doing different stuff at the foundation?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:51 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> Hi Giles,
>
> I regret I will probably not be available for the IRC office hours as
> scheduled.
>
> In the discussion of shared hosting, I worry that en:User:Dispenser's
> reflinks project, which requires a 20 TB cache, is being forgotten
> again. He tried to host it himself, but it's offline again. This data
> is essential in maintaining an audit trail of references as long as
> the Internet Archive respects robots.txt retroactively, allowing those
> who inherit domains to censor them, even if they have already been
> used as a reference in Wikipedia. Keeping the cache is absolutely a
> fair use right in the US, in both statutory and case law, and it is
> essential to be able to track down patterns of attempts at deceptive
> editing to address quality concerns around deliberately biased editing
> such as paid editing. Because of the sensitivity of this goal, the
> Foundation should certainly bear the risk of hosting the reflinks
> cache. However, in the past, 20 TB was considered excessive, even
> though the cost was shown to be less than $5000 without whatever Dell
> NSA-enabled hardware you usually buy.
>
> Would you please reach out to en:User:Dispenser and offer them the
> 20TB hosting solution they need for the Foundation to bear the risk of
> the reflinks cache?  Thank you for your kind consideration.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours: Shared hosting

[James Salsman]

Hi Giles,

I regret I will probably not be available for the IRC office hours as scheduled.

In the discussion of shared hosting, I worry that en:User:Dispenser's
reflinks project, which requires a 20 TB cache, is being forgotten
again. He tried to host it himself, but it's offline again. This data
is essential in maintaining an audit trail of references as long as
the Internet Archive respects robots.txt retroactively, allowing those
who inherit domains to censor them, even if they have already been
used as a reference in Wikipedia. Keeping the cache is absolutely a
fair use right in the US, in both statutory and case law, and it is
essential to be able to track down patterns of attempts at deceptive
editing to address quality concerns around deliberately biased editing
such as paid editing. Because of the sensitivity of this goal, the
Foundation should certainly bear the risk of hosting the reflinks
cache. However, in the past, 20 TB was considered excessive, even
though the cost was shown to be less than $5000 without whatever Dell
NSA-enabled hardware you usually buy.

Would you please reach out to en:User:Dispenser and offer them the
20TB hosting solution they need for the Foundation to bear the risk of
the reflinks cache?  Thank you for your kind consideration.

Best regards,
Jim

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