Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor testing, round 3: Minor stress test

2012-08-16 Thread Mark Holmquist

So I'm here to ask for some volunteers to help me test EtherEditor
tomorrow, between 20:00 and 22:00 UTC. I'll be in #ethereditor on
Freenode with a list of things to try out, and really, some number of
people helping me stress test the connections to the backend would be
immensely useful.


All right! A bunch of awesome people showed up to help, and I got a 
bunch of interesting results. I'm sure I'll be back soon to announce a 
more stable release.


Thanks especially to Chris McMahon, Thomas Gries (Wikinaut), S Page, and 
all the others who hopped on to help break my software :)


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[Wikitech-l] EtherEditor testing, round 3: Minor stress test

2012-08-15 Thread Mark Holmquist

Good evening, wikitech-l!

I've been developing an extension recently called EtherEditor [0]. I 
emailed this list about it twice [1] before [2], mostly to ask for help 
testing it at various times.


To sum up, the extension, with proper configuration, enables multi-user, 
real-time collaborative editing of the wikitext of any page.


Well, this project is coming to the point where *I* think it's pretty 
stable. There are still a few details to iron out, and I'm excited to 
fix those things, but there are also a few things I haven't ever tested. 
Most notably, multiple users for an extended period of time, and all the 
fun bugs that are sure to appear in that case.


So I'm here to ask for some volunteers to help me test EtherEditor 
tomorrow, between 20:00 and 22:00 UTC. I'll be in #ethereditor on 
Freenode with a list of things to try out, and really, some number of 
people helping me stress test the connections to the backend would be 
immensely useful.


If you don't have an account on Freenode, or prefer to contact me in 
some other way, the best way is probably to use this email address. If 
you have any questions, you can always ask them on-list.


If you want to chat about the extension at any time, you can always join 
the IRC channel (#ethereditor on Freenode), and I'm always online. 
Remember that IRC isn't necessarily a synchronous communication system, 
and be patient when asking questions.


In case you want to try the extension, it is and has been running on my 
TestWiki instance [3], so feel free to attack it! If you could report 
any problems on the Bugzilla [4], I will gladly fix them with great 
quickness! If you want to try installing it on your own MediaWiki 
instance, the mw.org entry [0] has some instructions for that. As 
before, please report problems to the Bugzilla [4] :)


Links:

[0] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EtherEditor
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-June/061188.html
[2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-July/061517.html
[3] http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[4] 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=EtherEditor


Thanks, everyone!

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Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor testing, round 3: Minor stress test

2012-08-15 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 15.08.2012 19:05, schrieb Mark Holmquist:
 Good evening, wikitech-l!

Mark

, nice, but why haven't you

+ installed the OpenID extension for simple account creation
+ set collaborate as default for any page
+ set collaborate as default in all newly created accounts in
http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing

of that wiki.



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Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor testing, round 3: Minor stress test

2012-08-15 Thread Mark Holmquist

+ installed the OpenID extension for simple account creation


Registration is open, so account creation is simple now! Is there that 
much increased ease with OpenID?



+ set collaborate as default for any page


This is a question of the extension's defaults--I assume that most 
people will not want to have that default, but there is a way to enable 
it on page load--set collaborate=true in the URL, or use the link in the 
text field above the edit box.



+ set collaborate as default in all newly created accounts


That preference is actually pretty much deprecated, but I'll consider 
fixing it up and using it again. I want the switch behavior to be part 
of the testing, though, so I'll keep it as-is for now.


Thanks for the feedback!

Oh, and bonus: If you go to http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/pad/ you can 
play with the Etherpad Lite interface without integration into MW.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor testing, round 3: Minor stress test

2012-08-15 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 15.08.2012 20:50, schrieb Mark Holmquist:
 + installed the OpenID extension for simple account creation

 Registration is open, so account creation is simple now! Is there that
 much increased ease with OpenID?

Saves much time and efforts
You don't use it, otherwise you wouldn't have asked that question.

 + set collaborate as default for any page

 This is a question of the extension's defaults--I assume that most
 people will not want to have that default, but there is a way to
 enable it on page load--set collaborate=true in the URL, or use the
 link in the text field above the edit box.

 + set collaborate as default in all newly created accounts

 That preference is actually pretty much deprecated, but I'll consider
 fixing it up and using it again. I want the switch behavior to be part
 of the testing, though, so I'll keep it as-is for now.

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Oh, and bonus: If you go to http://etherpad.wmflabs.org/pad/ you can
 play with the Etherpad Lite interface without integration into MW.

Uhh, I *am* developer for Etherpad Lite and have that running in many of
my servers.



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Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor testing, round 3: Minor stress test

2012-08-15 Thread Mark Holmquist

Saves much time and efforts
You don't use it, otherwise you wouldn't have asked that question.


Clearly--but could you elaborate more as to why it's helpful? (Thomas is 
currently in #ethereditor having this conversation)



Uhh, I *am* developer for Etherpad Lite and have that running in many of
my servers.


I have seen your patches, yes :)

It was more for the benefit of the others on the list who might be tired 
or frustrated with the old etherpad.wikimedia.org interface.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor testing, round 3: Minor stress test

2012-08-15 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 15.08.2012 20:58, schrieb Mark Holmquist:
 Saves much time and efforts
 You don't use it, otherwise you wouldn't have asked that question.

 Clearly--but could you elaborate more as to why it's helpful? (Thomas
 is currently in #ethereditor having this conversation)
OpenID was discussed in other threads; a discussion of pros and cons
would be off-topic here.

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