Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
Le 20/09/12 02:12, Tomasz Finc a écrit : I really wish I could just got to http://developer.wikimedia.org/ and/or http://developer.wikipedia.org The necessary Apache change is now in Gerrit: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24419 If we get consensus, we can get op to deploy that :) -- Antoine hashar Musso ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: For instance, Twitter, Facebook etc are actually pushing open source projects themselves, but they don't mix those in their developer pages unless you dive deep and almost knowing what you are looking for. Can I haz Facebook tarball? In seriousness, the utter open sourceness of our codebase is what sets us apart, so we should make it clear pretty prominently on our dev hub. For most platforms, cool open source side projects notwithstanding, the API/SDK is all you get to talk to the core platform - in our case you get the platform itself. So I don't agree that we should point folks to the API first, and to the platform second. With that said, I agree that the dev hub currently is pretty much inside baseball and we should try to make it more understandable if we prominently link it from every footer of every page. Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: the utter open sourceness of our codebase is what sets us apart, so we should make it clear pretty prominently on our dev hub. (...) With that said, I agree that the dev hub currently is pretty much inside baseball and we should try to make it more understandable if we prominently link it from every footer of every page. Alright, let's move onto the next round: which dev hub? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub mediawiki.org is a better default landing place for developers than Meta, do you agree? Is it worth considering the merge of both pages, as it has been suggested? And in any case the API should be promoted upfront. Now the Meta hub has no mention (I could find) while the dense MediaWiki hub features the link if you are patient to find it (or you use the search, as I did). -- Quim -- Quim Gil /// http://espiral.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
On 20 September 2012 08:54, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: the utter open sourceness of our codebase is what sets us apart, so we should make it clear pretty prominently on our dev hub. (...) With that said, I agree that the dev hub currently is pretty much inside baseball and we should try to make it more understandable if we prominently link it from every footer of every page. Alright, let's move onto the next round: which dev hub? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub mediawiki.org is a better default landing place for developers than Meta, do you agree? Is it worth considering the merge of both pages, as it has been suggested? And in any case the API should be promoted upfront. Now the Meta hub has no mention (I could find) while the dense MediaWiki hub features the link if you are patient to find it (or you use the search, as I did). Of course, we already have a link to the mediawiki.org front page on every page we serve - that's what the Powered by MediaWiki button links to. There, the four most prominent links are: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker I assumed that the point of this additional link was to take people to our API because we already use our bully-pulpit to ask for more developers quite strongly, but people who want to use us as a service need to dig further to even know we have one. If all we're doing is duplicating the general hey, you're a techy person link with another text label, this exercise will have lost its value. J. -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester | +1 415-839-6885 x6844 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: At the danger of derailing/forking the conversation... Your answer makes sense, thank you. I didn't want to kill the discussion either... Can we agree on this: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 -- Quim ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 Generally, we want a single link that encapsulates everything a developer might be interested in (Gadgets, MediaWiki extensions, the web API, data dumps, bot infrastructure like pywikipediabot, MediaWiki core development, generally volunteering, etc). API:Main_page (for better or worse) is focused on our web API. Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
I think we should point to a developer hub but the current one needs to be massively revised! On Sep 19, 2012 4:51 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 Generally, we want a single link that encapsulates everything a developer might be interested in (Gadgets, MediaWiki extensions, the web API, data dumps, bot infrastructure like pywikipediabot, MediaWiki core development, generally volunteering, etc). API:Main_page (for better or worse) is focused on our web API. Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
I really wish I could just got to http://developer.wikimedia.org/ and/or http://developer.wikipedia.org --tomasz On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should point to a developer hub but the current one needs to be massively revised! On Sep 19, 2012 4:51 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 Generally, we want a single link that encapsulates everything a developer might be interested in (Gadgets, MediaWiki extensions, the web API, data dumps, bot infrastructure like pywikipediabot, MediaWiki core development, generally volunteering, etc). API:Main_page (for better or worse) is focused on our web API. Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
Without wanting to take away from the value of this suggestion, I'll just point out that there's also not a link to Become an Editor either. (Create an account doesn't really count, lots of people have accounts who never edit.) I'll be the first to admit I'm in awe of the brain power on this list, so this may be assuming too much of the intellect of developers generally, but it's been my observation that those who are smart enough, and interested enough, to write codeusually find their way around pretty well. I think RobLa's point is well taken, though. Decide what you want to say to prospective developers, and make sure the landing page is welcoming and useful, before you send anyone there. Best, Risker On 19 September 2012 20:12, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote: I really wish I could just got to http://developer.wikimedia.org/ and/or http://developer.wikipedia.org --tomasz On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should point to a developer hub but the current one needs to be massively revised! On Sep 19, 2012 4:51 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 Generally, we want a single link that encapsulates everything a developer might be interested in (Gadgets, MediaWiki extensions, the web API, data dumps, bot infrastructure like pywikipediabot, MediaWiki core development, generally volunteering, etc). API:Main_page (for better or worse) is focused on our web API. Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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I'm afraid that my opposition is rather frivolous, but is the ratio of developers to laymen enough to justify adding the extra burden? It seems some others have noted that if we include a developer hub, we can't stop there. I could propose a research hub, a librarian hub, a photographer hub. A developer outreach program might be better as it's unlikely anyone ever even reads the links at the bottom. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Without wanting to take away from the value of this suggestion, I'll just point out that there's also not a link to Become an Editor either. (Create an account doesn't really count, lots of people have accounts who never edit.) I'll be the first to admit I'm in awe of the brain power on this list, so this may be assuming too much of the intellect of developers generally, but it's been my observation that those who are smart enough, and interested enough, to write codeusually find their way around pretty well. I think RobLa's point is well taken, though. Decide what you want to say to prospective developers, and make sure the landing page is welcoming and useful, before you send anyone there. Best, Risker On 19 September 2012 20:12, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote: I really wish I could just got to http://developer.wikimedia.org/ and/or http://developer.wikipedia.org --tomasz On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should point to a developer hub but the current one needs to be massively revised! On Sep 19, 2012 4:51 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 Generally, we want a single link that encapsulates everything a developer might be interested in (Gadgets, MediaWiki extensions, the web API, data dumps, bot infrastructure like pywikipediabot, MediaWiki core development, generally volunteering, etc). API:Main_page (for better or worse) is focused on our web API. Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid that my opposition is rather frivolous, but is the ratio of developers to laymen enough to justify adding the extra burden? It seems some others have noted that if we include a developer hub, we can't stop there. I could propose a research hub, a librarian hub, a photographer hub. A developer outreach program might be better as it's unlikely anyone ever even reads the links at the bottom. I don't see the slippery slope. All Wikimedia activities depend on a thriving technical ecosystem. I strongly support the idea of surfacing entrypoints for engineers (whether they want to work on our stuff, or their own stuff) more prominently, as many other major websites do. Making the open source nature of our projects more easily discoverable is a Good Thing. +1 for redirecting developers.wikimedia.org and developer.wikimedia.org to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub as well. -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: +1 for redirecting developers.wikimedia.org and developer.wikimedia.org to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub as well. Submitted in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,Ifa3c5e9988da162b2dde65e66bcb180f96161783,n,z I also added develop.wm.o and did them all for wikipedia.org too. (waiting for review so we can still change the set of domains later and of course they're always subject to change even after deployed) -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... And to help new developers discover various cross-Wikimedia tech projects, there is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub. but the conversation seems to be zeroing in on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hubhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub I don't understand the difference, I challenge anyone to explain it in less than ten words, so I propose the page on meta should become a soft redirect. Every additional page (and its associated talk page!) adds a cognitive and maintenance burden, hinders community, and diminishes focus, and two Hubs with indistinguishable names is a bicycle. (The one true Developer hub can still have a section(s) about other WikiMedia Foundation software projects besides the Mediawiki software) -- =S Page software engineer on E3 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 Generally, we want a single link that encapsulates everything a developer might be interested in (Gadgets, MediaWiki extensions, the web API, data dumps, bot infrastructure like pywikipediabot, MediaWiki core development, generally volunteering, etc). API:Main_page (for better or worse) is focused on our web API. By trying to make everybody happy we risk not making happy anybody. Application developers and Wikimedia/Mediawiki contributors are very different types of profiles with very different goals. The initial proposal of this thread was to follow the path of major sites offering visibly a link to their API in order to increase and diversify the use of their data and services in the hands of third party developers. I personally agree that such visibility is missing and a link to the API main page would be a good and simple start. This is also a clear incentive to improve the API pages, a plan that seems to be in the ToDo list at least since January. The Wikimedia Developer Hub could be visibly featured in the API page in order to redirect those willing to know more about other interesting stuff for developers around Wikimedia projects and the MediaWiki context. Maybe one day the Wikimedia Developer Hub will be just great, not confusing at all for application developers and other profiles? Great, then we an agree to change the link. Easy. But as for today polishing a bit the API main page seems a more feasible task and would do wonders for all those app developers. -- Quim ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Making the open source nature of our projects more easily discoverable is a Good Thing. Indeed, but mixing public APIs with 1001 open source possibilities tends to make more happy the smaller circle of insiders and free software developers than the average developers just willing to build their great app or service. For instance, Twitter, Facebook etc are actually pushing open source projects themselves, but they don't mix those in their developer pages unless you dive deep and almost knowing what you are looking for. In the same footer there is an icon Powered by Mediawiki. For the sake of simplicity we could direct app developers to the API through the new Developers link and use the Mediawiki brand homepage as an umbrella for all the open source collaboration, which is mostly what the Wikimedia/Mediawiki Developer Hubs are about. Did someone mention that there is also an initiative to revamp the mediawiki.org homepage? Please consider that what seems obvious for you is not obvious at all for a newcomer in a hurry or someone thinking what will be her next app about. Grasping that Wikimedia is not a typo and understanding what it means is already a big step. And then getting the Mediawiki thing is another step further. We need to simplify all this, at least for newcomers. The risk of them thinking uff, I'll have a better look another day is pretty high. -- Quim ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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dan entous d_ent...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:75e303e6-3ec7-4a17-824e-c3d8d3378...@yahoo.com... how about here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents ... and add in any resources that may be missing to those pages. with kind regards, dan I would much rather it went to a new page, dedicated for this exact purpose. Manual:Contents is the contents page for the manual, and I can see that once this is implemented there will be feature creep which will move it away from its original purpose. One of the hubs might be appropriate ([[mw:User hub]], [[mw:Sysadmin hub]] or [[mw:Developer hub]] - all of which need some tlc), but perhaps we need a new more-tightly-focussed page that spans user-types. Personally, I would recommend that we create [[mw:Get involved]] if it is about general MW involvement or perhaps [[meta:Developer hub]] if it's more WMF focussed (or has that all moved to mw.org now - I am not so clear about the distinction as I used to be). - HappyDog (cross-posted to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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This is a great idea but we would really need to build several new pages ideally with links to the API sandbox, code samples. This is a big project in itself. The landing page should be close to something like Flickr [1] and should detail why someone would want to be a developer, the sort of things they can develop and with what skill set and should give a brief but interesting overview of apps/sites that use the API or extend mediawiki in drastic ways. Part of said page should be about inspiring people to develop with us rather than elsewhere. I'm happy to use my 20% time to work on this with people. Just give me a shout offlist. [1]http://www.flickr.com/services/developer/ On Sep 18, 2012 4:49 AM, Mark Clements (HappyDog) gm...@kennel17.co.uk wrote: dan entous d_ent...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:75E303E6-3EC7-4A17-824E-**c3d8d3378...@yahoo.com... how about here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Manual:Contentshttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents ... and add in any resources that may be missing to those pages. with kind regards, dan I would much rather it went to a new page, dedicated for this exact purpose. Manual:Contents is the contents page for the manual, and I can see that once this is implemented there will be feature creep which will move it away from its original purpose. One of the hubs might be appropriate ([[mw:User hub]], [[mw:Sysadmin hub]] or [[mw:Developer hub]] - all of which need some tlc), but perhaps we need a new more-tightly-focussed page that spans user-types. Personally, I would recommend that we create [[mw:Get involved]] if it is about general MW involvement or perhaps [[meta:Developer hub]] if it's more WMF focussed (or has that all moved to mw.org now - I am not so clear about the distinction as I used to be). - HappyDog (cross-posted to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464) __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Jon, if you want to take the lead on this, go ahead. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sumanah/ApiDocsImprovement has some thoughts that Ben Lobaugh had put together (including the Flickr example) in case you find those useful. -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation On 09/18/2012 12:34 PM, Jon Robson wrote: This is a great idea but we would really need to build several new pages ideally with links to the API sandbox, code samples. This is a big project in itself. The landing page should be close to something like Flickr [1] and should detail why someone would want to be a developer, the sort of things they can develop and with what skill set and should give a brief but interesting overview of apps/sites that use the API or extend mediawiki in drastic ways. Part of said page should be about inspiring people to develop with us rather than elsewhere. I'm happy to use my 20% time to work on this with people. Just give me a shout offlist. [1]http://www.flickr.com/services/developer/ On Sep 18, 2012 4:49 AM, Mark Clements (HappyDog) gm...@kennel17.co.uk wrote: dan entous d_ent...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:75E303E6-3EC7-4A17-824E-**c3d8d3378...@yahoo.com... how about here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Manual:Contentshttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents ... and add in any resources that may be missing to those pages. with kind regards, dan I would much rather it went to a new page, dedicated for this exact purpose. Manual:Contents is the contents page for the manual, and I can see that once this is implemented there will be feature creep which will move it away from its original purpose. One of the hubs might be appropriate ([[mw:User hub]], [[mw:Sysadmin hub]] or [[mw:Developer hub]] - all of which need some tlc), but perhaps we need a new more-tightly-focussed page that spans user-types. Personally, I would recommend that we create [[mw:Get involved]] if it is about general MW involvement or perhaps [[meta:Developer hub]] if it's more WMF focussed (or has that all moved to mw.org now - I am not so clear about the distinction as I used to be). - HappyDog (cross-posted to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464) __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
This is a great idea but we would really need to build several new pages ideally with links to the API sandbox, code samples. This is a big project in itself. The landing page should be close to something like Flickr [1] and should detail why someone would want to be a developer, the sort of things they can develop and with what skill set and should give a brief but interesting overview of apps/sites that use the API or extend mediawiki in drastic ways. Part of said page should be about inspiring people to develop with us rather than elsewhere. I'm happy to use my 20% time to work on this with people. Just give me a shout offlist. [1]http://www.flickr.com/services/developer/ It should definitely link to the Annoying little bugs page as well. It contains a decent selection of bugs that new developers can fix. Not 100% sure the scope of this page though. Was it meant to attract just extension, gadget, et. al developers? Or was it also meant to attract developers for the core as well? Thank you, Derric Atzrott ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 09/18/2012 12:44 PM, Derric Atzrott wrote: It should definitely link to the Annoying little bugs page as well. It contains a decent selection of bugs that new developers can fix. Not 100% sure the scope of this page though. Was it meant to attract just extension, gadget, et. al developers? Or was it also meant to attract developers for the core as well? Thank you, Derric Atzrott To help new developers get into MediaWiki core and extensions, there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker (which does of course link to Annoying Little Bugs). To help new developers get into the web API, there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Tutorial and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API although I know these aren't as great as the API documentation that Meetup, Etsy, Flickr, and similar sites provide. To help new gadget developers, there is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen . And to help new developers discover various cross-Wikimedia tech projects, there is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub . Just wanted people to know so they don't reinvent the wheel. :) -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Just wanted people to know so they don't reinvent the wheel. :) Along that vein, there are the ever popular skin manual [0] and extension manual [1]. [0] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions -- Mark Holmquist Software Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation mtrac...@member.fsf.org http://marktraceur.info ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: And to help new developers discover various cross-Wikimedia tech projects, there is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub . Just wanted people to know so they don't reinvent the wheel. :) My 2c: the Wikimedia developer hub page on meta should be the starting point. Let's not create yet another central page. If we do end up bikeshedding our way to a different URL, please someone make sure there's a redirect from the page above to the new page rather than keeping the old one around out of nostalgia. Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: My 2c: the Wikimedia developer hub page on meta should be the starting point. Let's not create yet another central page. If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 PS: when a bug report is advertized in a mailing list it is more useful to have the discussion archived around the bug report - do you agree? -- Quim ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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At the danger of derailing/forking the conversation... My preference with bugzilla is to only raise bugs when the outcome is clear. The test I use is if I gave a bug to a newbie could they pick it up and fix it without any questions. If it's not clear I'd start a mailing list conversation with the outcome of cutting a new bug with decisions made. My worry with using bugzilla as the place of discussion is that a bug can get extremely confusing - especially when people have differing views. The result of this is a manageable bug list for the mobile site [1] which could one day be empty and is much more manageable. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147228field0-0-0=bug_severityresolution=---resolution=LATERresolution=DUPLICATEquery_based_on=MFEquery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDtype0-0-0=notequalsvalue0-0-0=enhancementcomponent=MobileFrontendproduct=MediaWiki%20extensionsknown_name=MFE On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: My 2c: the Wikimedia developer hub page on meta should be the starting point. Let's not create yet another central page. If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464#c8 PS: when a bug report is advertized in a mailing list it is more useful to have the discussion archived around the bug report - do you agree? -- Quim ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
