Re: [Wikitech-l] Phab blogs

[Tilman Bayer]

(For the record, the aforementioned comments bug has now been
resolved, thanks to the efforts of Paladox and others.)

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Mukunda Modell  wrote:
>
> The phame blogs are simply a convenient way to get phabricator related
> announcements posted on the from page of phabricator.

Actually other teams have already begun using them for other topics
besides Phabricator-related announcements, see
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/blog/ . And more teams might
follow. Which is a good reason to give the advantages and
disadvantages of this new communication platform some more thought -
before we get locked into it by accident and it might become another
area where donor dollars have to be spent paying the upstream company
to make sure Phabricator fulfills our needs (cf. below).

>
> The topics posted
> their are also cross-posed to this list as the intended audience is mostly
> the same.

I can't find an equivalent of the following post in the archives of
this list: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/post/view/9/sponsored_phabricator_improvements/
. That's despite its topic having been the subject of extensive
discussion on the list not long before the post was published:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/710067 .

(In any case, that was separate from the problem that Phame blogs
didn't allow comments. Even if it had been true that all these
announcements are cross-posted to this list, that would still not have
helped someone who encountered them on Phabricator and did not have
the insider knowledge that one can try to search the Wikitech list
archives for a discussion of an announcement and sign up to the list
for an opportunity to comment.)

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Tilman Bayer 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Apparently there hasn't been much discussion or deliberation about the
> > > advantages and disadvantages of this new feature compared to other
> > > communication channels.
> >
> >
> > Excess of communication channels is a big problem in Wikimedia and a
> > regular topic for complaints from new and experienced contributors
> > (volunteers or paid, tech or non-tech). I think such discussion about
> > advantages and disadvantages should happen before we invest too much
> > content and attention in Phabricator blogs.
> >
+1. Back in 2014, before the launch of the Wikimedia Phabricator
instance, the team did a great job in surveying needs and
alternatives, reaching out to stakeholders, holding an RfC etc.

Balkanization of communication venues was very much seen as a concern
then. (For example, various teams at WMF were strongly encouraged to
move their project management activities from Mingle, Trello etc. to
Phabricator. Which is what happened.)

The extension of Phabricator to some other areas since then (e.g. code
review) has likewise been approached with a lot of diligence and
inclusion. I'm not sure though this can said for all parts of the
platform.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Phab blogs

[Mukunda Modell]

The phame blogs are simply a convenient way to get phabricator related
announcements posted on the from page of phabricator. The topics posted
their are also cross-posed to this list as the intended audience is mostly
the same.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Tilman Bayer 
> wrote:
>
> > Apparently there hasn't been much discussion or deliberation about the
> > advantages and disadvantages of this new feature compared to other
> > communication channels.
>
>
> Excess of communication channels is a big problem in Wikimedia and a
> regular topic for complaints from new and experienced contributors
> (volunteers or paid, tech or non-tech). I think such discussion about
> advantages and disadvantages should happen before we invest too much
> content and attention in Phabricator blogs.
>
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> Quim Gil
> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Phab blogs

[Quim Gil]

Hi,

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Tilman Bayer  wrote:

> Apparently there hasn't been much discussion or deliberation about the
> advantages and disadvantages of this new feature compared to other
> communication channels.


Excess of communication channels is a big problem in Wikimedia and a
regular topic for complaints from new and experienced contributors
(volunteers or paid, tech or non-tech). I think such discussion about
advantages and disadvantages should happen before we invest too much
content and attention in Phabricator blogs.

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Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Phab blogs

[Tilman Bayer]

Apparently there hasn't been much discussion or deliberation about the
advantages and disadvantages of this new feature compared to other
communication channels. An essential functionality that seems to be
missing compared to standard blog software (and indeed the venues that
we normally use in the Wikimedia movement for announcements of the
kind that now appear in Phame) is a comment function - there is no
backchannel to ask questions etc. Filed as
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144338

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I only now noticed that Phabricator has blogs:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/blog/
>
> I couldn't find a way to subscribe to them in RSS. Is it possible?
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Phab blogs

[Strainu]

2016-05-18 8:39 GMT+03:00 Amir E. Aharoni :
> Hi,
>
> I only now noticed that Phabricator has blogs:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/blog/
>
> I couldn't find a way to subscribe to them in RSS. Is it possible?

Yes: Go to Actions->Manage Blog and you have the atom URL there.

Strainu

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Phab blogs

[Merlijn van Deen (valhallasw)]

On 18 May 2016 at 07:39, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> I couldn't find a way to subscribe to them in RSS. Is it possible?
>

I also can't find the button, but there is a magic trick. Change

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/blog/view/5/

into

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/blog/feed/5/

and you get the corresponding atom feed.
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