Re: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-10 Thread Joerg Mayer
On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 10:12:28PM +0100, Fredrik Ohrn wrote: Result: The group 2 only companies *can't* release their sources any more if they want to stay in business. I assume you mean the other way round? Of course - sorry. Ciao Jörg -- Joerg Mayer

Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Fredrik Ohrn
(I'm a part time lurker on wine-devel and use Wine to run those pesky apps I can't live without. I regret that I've never mustered the courage to work on and contribute to the code.) What's lacking in this discussion is some sensible analysis of what a license need to contain to encourage

RE: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Patrik Stridvall
What's lacking in this discussion is some sensible analysis of what a license need to contain to encourage future contributions to Wine and to protect the interests of the contributors. Fearmongering about Wine's future and paranoid delusions about the GPL license doesn't bring anything

Re: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Joerg Mayer
Fredrik, very nice writeup. It actually shows where the current discussion has gone wrong. Finding out the *requirements* first, then comparing them with the current situation and only as a next to last step decide on a license (be it an already written license or a completely new one or a

RE: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Patrik Stridvall
On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 11:40:54AM +0100, Fredrik Ohrn wrote: Another observation is that companies in group 1 are in direct competition with each other, so they want closed source. If TransGaming released their DirectX work BSD style, Lindows would quickly be there to appropriate

RE: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread vinn
IANAL, yada, yada [nor can my involvement with Wine be considered anything more than minor] Patrik wrote: Companies in this group have several choices: 1. Don't use new improvement in the main Wine tree, only resync then a new major version of the application should be released. 2.

Re: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 10:48:46AM -0800, vinn wrote: Second, the LGPL doesn't state how the modifications have to be released. In practice this is done electronically via patch files or access to a modified tree. But there's no reason why the modifications couldn't be released on

RE: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Fredrik Ohrn
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, vinn wrote: First, the LGPL doesn't really ever give a time frame for modifications to be released back. We can safely assume that it means in a timely manner, since in practice this is how it works. I think we could collectively agree that a company such as Transgaming

Re: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Fredrik Ohrn
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Joerg Mayer wrote: On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 11:40:54AM +0100, Fredrik Ohrn wrote: Another observation is that companies in group 1 are in direct competition with each other, so they want closed source. If TransGaming released their DirectX work BSD style, Lindows would

RE: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Fredrik Ohrn
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Patrik Stridvall wrote: I think you will be able convince both the lazy person above as well as the bean counter that this will be the best long time choice. If Wine is LGPL they must release the patch if they want to reap the benefits of using Wine, and they can

RE: Wine, enthusiasts, businesses and the agony of the license

2002-02-09 Thread Patrik Stridvall
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Patrik Stridvall wrote: I think you will be able convince both the lazy person above as well as the bean counter that this will be the best long time choice. If Wine is LGPL they must release the patch if they want to reap the benefits of using Wine, and