Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
On 2 Nov 2002, Jeremy White wrote: [...] For example, in your proposed structure, it is completely unclear to me what the difference between Support and Forums is. The IRC channel is one of our best support tools... but it's under Forums? I'm not sure non-technical users would have the

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Chris Morgan wrote: * 607 - Add screenshots Where would screenshots be contributed to? Mailed to wine-devel? Appended to the bug entry in bugzilla? Actually, the larger issue is: where should Web site discussions take place and where should patches go? The 'How to

RE: games

2002-11-03 Thread Kye Lewis
Surely there is no reason that wine actually has to do these checks anyway - would it not be simply possible to say that the checks passed regardless? And even if we do decide to implement them, (I don't know the legal position on this - I'm not a lawyer or anything), I don't see why implementing

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 12:51 am, Jeremy White wrote: However, I think that when someone comes to a home page, they really have only the following major questions: What is this? How do I get it? Hey! It's busted! Help! How can I help? What's New? Partly, yes. But I think some very

Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Carlos Lozano wrote: [...] 29. Putty - This simple Telnet application could hang with the big boys. VERSION 0.52. * Install: No needed install. * Run: No. (it doesn't show the right part of the window, regression) Very strange. PuTTY used to

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 02:35 am, Francois Gouget wrote: Too much nesting just hides information and forces the user to dig down to find what he is looking for. I am sorry to do a AOL -- me too post, but I do agree 100% with Francois. For WineHQ, I _strongly_ feel it's a big mistake to have more

Re: COM vtable inconsistencies with g++ (was SIGSEGV in IDirectDrawImpl_EnumDisplayModes)

2002-11-03 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 07:17:28PM -0800, Francois Gouget wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Andreas Mohr wrote: [...] The only advantage I can think of would be the use of Unix code, but then you could achieve the very same thing by writing the Unix equivalent DLL of a Windows DLL (e.g.: hardware

Re: menu resource parsing question...

2002-11-03 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 09:07:08PM -0500, Chris Morgan wrote: Upon the testing of Kazaa lite I ran into numerous errors like: err:menu:MENU_ParseResource not a string item, flags: 0x0800 These entries appear to be intended as separators and in fact the flag of 0x800 is MF_SEPARATOR. The

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 09:43:40AM +, Keith Matthews wrote: On 02 Nov 2002 23:51:01 -0600 Jeremy White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I propose the following instead: First, this assumes that we use Jeremy Newman's idea of a rotating screen shot on main page, and continued

Re: Today wine's compatibility with 20 popular apps from tucows

2002-11-03 Thread Carlos Lozano
Applications: 3. Internet Explorer - This listing includes 5.01, 5.01 High Encryption Pack, 5.5, 6.0 Beta and the long awaited, official release of 6.0. VERSION 5.5. (from cdrom) * Install: No, with native urlmon stops a bit later. * Run: Unknown. It is

Re: Games

2002-11-03 Thread Mark Hannessen
here we are. Zsolt about Safedisc 1.x When the patch was published, there was a discussion, and the conclusion was that the code is very probably legal, and is not against DMCA Are you sure about the above statements? Have you checked that, or it is just your opinion? Carlos words

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
On Sunday 03 November 2002 04:28 am, Francois Gouget wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: This is my proposal for the WineHQ menu structure, based on the discussions I had with Francois. The Home Page should just be our news page. Many projects opt for this, and I think

Re: WINE for PowerPC?

2002-11-03 Thread Carlos Lozano
El dom, 03 de nov de 2002, a las 08:19, Igor Izyumin escribio: The real challenge is making it efficient - the Super Nintendo runs at about 5MHz but requires a 300MHz processor to emulate it with decent speed. Unless It is not a good example, the snes has 2 different cpus, gpu engine, sound

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
On Sunday 03 November 2002 03:09 am, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On November 3, 2002 02:35 am, Francois Gouget wrote: Too much nesting just hides information and forces the user to dig down to find what he is looking for. I am sorry to do a AOL -- me too post, but I do agree 100% with Francois.

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Jeremy White
This question thingy is _completely_ non standard, and at least for me, a bit annoying. And being so non-standard, I think the burdon of proof it's on you to justify such a drastic departure from standard website design practice. I have no objection to changing the titles away from the question

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 03:07:48PM +, Keith Matthews wrote: On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:24:14 +0100 Andreas Mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 02:28:54AM -0800, Francois Gouget wrote: * Who cares about an 'Applications Database'? What's that anyway? Would a potential

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 07:52:09AM -0600, Igor Izyumin wrote: On Sunday 03 November 2002 03:09 am, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On November 3, 2002 02:35 am, Francois Gouget wrote: Too much nesting just hides information and forces the user to dig down to find what he is looking for. I am

Re: WINE for PowerPC?

2002-11-03 Thread Zsolt Rizsanyi
On Sunday 03 November 2002 02:26, Dustin Navea wrote: --- Adam Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry if this is off topic or doesn't belong here. I'm not a developer (at least not in C) so I'll wait a few years while I learn C before I come back and help you guys. But I was wondering...

Re: Important problem with cabextract in debian unstable

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 11:47 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: Debian unstable includes the package cabextract 0.5-1, it is a important problem because, in this version the option -d is broken. Then the function Extract of the builtin urlmon.dll will not work :(( As long as there is a cabextract version

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
On Sunday 03 November 2002 11:11 am, Jeremy White wrote: * The Supported Applications idea is a good one, and I've been advocating it for a few days now. This should be a hand-maintained list of apps what we have 'officially' tested, and know for a fact that work decently in

Re: Important problem with cabextract in debian unstable

2002-11-03 Thread Chris Morgan
Might this be a problem for the people making the cabextract package and not wine? Especially if it is known to be broken on their end and going to be fixed. Chris On Sunday 03 November 2002 11:47 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: Hello, Debian unstable includes the package cabextract 0.5-1, it

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 05:28 am, Francois Gouget wrote: * having a fully expanded menu means we must have fewer items otherwise it risks being overwhelming. Things are not as bad as they seem because in my proposal I tried to include every item currently in the web site and I gave it a place in

Re: WINE for PowerPC?

2002-11-03 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Zsolt Rizsanyi wrote: On Sunday 03 November 2002 02:26, Dustin Navea wrote: --- Adam Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry if this is off topic or doesn't belong here. I'm not a developer (at least not in C) so I'll wait a few years while I learn C before I come back and help you

Re: msvcrt-A06: _popen + COMSPEC

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 12:45 pm, Jaco Greeff wrote: I have tried this, CreateProcess doesn't find cmd.exe if we don't specify the full path. (This happend in the test case with the neccessary changes made to default to cmd.exe). But yes, it would be great. But the question is whether or not

Re: Games

2002-11-03 Thread Zsolt Rizsanyi
On Sunday 03 November 2002 15:53, Mark Hannessen wrote: here we are. Zsolt about Safedisc 1.x When the patch was published, there was a discussion, and the conclusion was that the code is very probably legal, and is not against DMCA Are you sure about the above statements? Have you

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
On Sunday 03 November 2002 11:38 am, Jeremy White wrote: I am not sure what you're saying here, but as far as I'm concerned, I think we should have a link in the menu *only* to the Supported Applications page (the hand written one), and from there a link to the Application Database. If

Re: WINE for PowerPC?

2002-11-03 Thread Lionel Ulmer
It is, in fact, point #3 that makes this combination faster than running a full blown emulator. It also holds true to the Wine name - the wine code is not used (is not) as an emulator. Just to point out that EXACTLY the same discussion took place here not that long ago (in August precisely)

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 09:24 am, Andreas Mohr wrote: I'm prepared to see my comments ripped to shreds ;-) It _is_ a bloody tough thread, isn't it? :) -- Dimi.

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
On Sunday 03 November 2002 11:41 am, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On November 3, 2002 12:26 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: IMHO the CVS stuff should *only* be mentioned in the Wine User Guide (and the Developers Guide would explain the more advanced usage patterns). Then it'd be pretty easy to simply

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 12:11 pm, Jeremy White wrote: I actually think that we could have exactly one entry - and that it be called 'Supported Applications'. That's the link people will click on; it addresses their immediate question. Trying to be more semantically precise with the main menu

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 11:36:36AM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On November 3, 2002 05:28 am, Francois Gouget wrote: * I also hate the term Application Database. It sounds too techy, and it's one of the reasons I never used it. So I suggest Application Status That's good, too.

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Jeremy White
I am not sure what you're saying here, but as far as I'm concerned, I think we should have a link in the menu *only* to the Supported Applications page (the hand written one), and from there a link to the Application Database. If this is what you're saying, I agree. If you are saying that we

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 12:51 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: Hmm, I guess you're right. How about we throw away CVS in User Guide and document *all* CVS management issues in the Devel Guide and simply have a reference to the Devel Guide in the Users Guide when it comes to CVS ? WineHQ would then use a

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 12:26 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: IMHO the CVS stuff should *only* be mentioned in the Wine User Guide (and the Developers Guide would explain the more advanced usage patterns). Then it'd be pretty easy to simply add a small For CVS download of Wine source, see Wine Users Guide

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Andreas Mohr
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 12:41:29PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On November 3, 2002 12:26 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: IMHO the CVS stuff should *only* be mentioned in the Wine User Guide (and the Developers Guide would explain the more advanced usage patterns). Then it'd be pretty easy to

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 12:38 pm, Jeremy White wrote: I'm advocating that the main menu link be called 'Supported Applications', and I'm reserving judgement on what the resulting page looks like. However, I think your suggestion is fine, so long as the app db is not buried as far as you would

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 12:38 pm, Jeremy White wrote: Yikes. I hadn't understood that the whole menu tree would be visible on the main page. I don't like that at all. 34 choices on the first page is way more than the 7 max I advocate... Please look at: http://appdb.winehq.com/ The menus are

Re: move dosconf to winedos

2002-11-03 Thread Jukka Heinonen
György 'Nog' Jeney wrote: After applying this patch, please remove msdos/dosconf.c. ChangeLog: * dlls/winedos/dosconf.c * include/callback.h * msdos/dpmi.c * msdos/dosconf.c (removed) * dlls/ntdll/Makefile.in * dlls/winedos/winedos.spec * dlls/winedos/Makefile.in Move dosconf

Re: Wine FAQ - call for a volunteer

2002-11-03 Thread Tony Lambregts
Francois Gouget wrote: On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: [...] 4. Work on getting the SGML tools to do what we want, so we can write the FAQ in XML, like so: faq entry questionWhat is this for?/question answerNothing in particular, it's just cool./answer /entry /faq

Re: msvcrt-A06: _popen + COMSPEC

2002-11-03 Thread Jaco Greeff
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:53:15 -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : But the question is whether or not CreateProcess _should_ find it, or not. If it is, than it's a bug in CreateProcess, and working around it is rather detrimental. If not, than fine, use the full path. We should

Re: msvcrt-A06: _popen + COMSPEC

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
On 3 Nov 2002, Jaco Greeff wrote: [...] I however, did look at what the correct behaviour of CreateProcess should be when I came across this. According to MSDN: The string can specify the full path and file name of the module to execute or it can specify a partial name. In the case of a

Re: WINE for PowerPC?

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: [...] Does bochs employ JIT compilation? I know that even modest JIT support provides great runtime improvement. AFAIK (i.e. not much) Boch does not support just-in-time compilation. It would certainly be a nice addition to it but I am told it requires

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Jeremy White
On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 11:50, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On November 3, 2002 12:38 pm, Jeremy White wrote: Yikes. I hadn't understood that the whole menu tree would be visible on the main page. I don't like that at all. 34 choices on the first page is way more than the 7 max I advocate...

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
On Sunday 03 November 2002 02:52 pm, Jeremy White wrote: On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 11:50, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On November 3, 2002 12:38 pm, Jeremy White wrote: Yikes. I hadn't understood that the whole menu tree would be visible on the main page. I don't like that at all. 34 choices

Fwd: Re: WINE for PowerPC?

2002-11-03 Thread Dustin Navea
--- Igor Izyumin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Igor Izyumin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dustin Navea [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WINE for PowerPC? Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 08:18:42 -0600 On Saturday 02 November 2002 07:26 pm, Dustin Navea wrote: --- Adam Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dustin Navea
--- Igor Izyumin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 02 November 2002 05:03 pm, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: This is my proposal for the WineHQ menu structure, based on the discussions I had with Francois. The Home Page should just be our news page. Many projects opt for this, and I think

Re: WINE for PowerPC?

2002-11-03 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 05:37:13PM -0600, Adam Ernst wrote: I'm sorry if this is off topic or doesn't belong here. I'm not a developer (at least not in C) so I'll wait a few years while I learn C before I come back and help you guys. But I was wondering... What are the technical issues

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dustin Navea
--- Francois Gouget [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like this but with a couple tweaks: Home (no menu item for this one, just click on the Wine logo) 1. About Wine 1.1. Introduction a. Intro b. Why Wine c. Myths d. Technology e. History

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal - counterproposal

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, Igor Izyumin wrote: [...] How about renaming support to Get Help, Troubleshooting, or something like that. Support != self-help, and as a user, I would click on Documentation first. Support implies commercial support True. It often has such a connotation and it might

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 03:52 pm, Jeremy White wrote: But the menus only have 7 main choices, and clicking most of them bring up submenus in the main page (which is, on reflection, probably not optimal). Well, I say, let's get the expanded menu a chance. It solves a few problems quite nicely, and

Re: My WineHQ menu structure proposal

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 05:04 pm, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: Well, I say, let's get the expanded menu a chance. It solves a few problems quite nicely, and it may not be too bad. sigh: s/get/give/ -- Dimi.

Re: dialog boxex and DestroyWindow

2002-11-03 Thread Alexandre Julliard
Ove Kaaven [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have a good way to deal with this? One way might be to make DestroyWindow map to EndDialog in this case (as EndDialog manages to handle this right), but what would the best way to do that be? You should probably write a test program under

WineHQ menu (take 3)

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
Here's the latest version of my WineHQ menu proposal. I tried to take into account (at least some of) the comments I received on the previous one. What's especially new is that you can see this one on the Web and that should give everyone something more concrete to think about. Note of course

Re: WineHQ menu (take 3)

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 10:11 pm, Francois Gouget wrote: http://fgouget.free.fr/tmp/WineHQ.html Francois, you're my hero! I *love* the menu. It's not too much, and most information is _one_ click away. I'm sold! The only tiny, tiny nit I have is that I'd put Development before Support, but other

lostwages (alpha 1)

2002-11-03 Thread Jeremy Newman
Alpha 1 of WineHQ is up at http://lostwages.winehq.org The site is very very red. I'm not sure of that idea right now, but tell me what you think anyway. I think it hurts my eyes, but this is a short notice thing, I'll come up with something better. Feel free to submit color ideas. It does not

Re: WineHQ menu (take 3)

2002-11-03 Thread Greg Turner
On Sunday 03 November 2002 09:37 pm, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: -- doesn't render too well in Konqy Something about Konky (sounds like a dog) has never liked the tables (or something) in WineHQ. In particular, WWN tends to go very, very wrong. BTW, following some of the discussion here

Re: WineHQ menu (take 3)

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On November 3, 2002 10:58 pm, Greg Turner wrote: Something about Konky (sounds like a dog) has never liked the tables (or something) in WineHQ. In particular, WWN tends to go very, very wrong. Indeed, they look terible. We need to change that IMO. We are still part of the OSS world, right? :)

A heartfelt thank you!

2002-11-03 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
To all our WWN editors (past, and present), a big THANK YOU! for doing the Wine's Weekly News. You guys are doing an excellent (and quite important work). I love them dearly. Keep up the good work! :) -- Dimi. P.S. People may think that I lost my mind. Not really, it's backed up

Re: Games

2002-11-03 Thread Gavriel State
Mark Hannessen wrote: When the patch was published, there was a discussion, and the conclusion was that the code is very probably legal, and is not against DMCA Are you sure about the above statements? Have you checked that, or it is just your opinion? Carlos words regarding copy protection:

Re: lostwages (alpha 1)

2002-11-03 Thread Chris Morgan
No Screenshots link on the left side? ;-) Chris On Sunday 03 November 2002 11:08 pm, Jeremy Newman wrote: Alpha 1 of WineHQ is up at http://lostwages.winehq.org The site is very very red. I'm not sure of that idea right now, but tell me what you think anyway. I think it hurts my eyes, but

Re: msvcrt-A06: _popen + COMSPEC

2002-11-03 Thread Jaco Greeff
Francois Gouget wrote: This is if you specify the lpApplicationName parameter. To have CreateProcess search the path, leave it as NULL and specify wcmd.exe ... in lpCommandLine. Very good point. I'll look into it. Greetings, Jaco

Re: lostwages (alpha 1)

2002-11-03 Thread Francois Gouget
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Chris Morgan wrote: No Screenshots link on the left side? ;-) That's because, as Jeremy said, it's not using the latest version of the menu hierarchy which is a very easily fixed detail. What bothers me more is that the menu is not expanded by default which prevents you

Re: Games

2002-11-03 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gavriel State wrote: Mark Hannessen wrote: When the patch was published, there was a discussion, and the conclusion was that the code is very probably legal, and is not against DMCA Are you sure about the above statements? Have you checked that, or it is just your opinion? Carlos words