Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-03 Thread Mike Hearn
Huw D M Davies wrote: The idea was to enable antialiasing if either the gasp table was missing or if the gasp table tell us to do so. It seems unlikely that a font designer would have gone to the trouble of adding hinting instructions but not the tiny gasp table. Actually I couldn't find a fon

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-03 Thread Huw D M Davies
On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 11:53:09PM +0100, Mike Hearn wrote: ... > It also changes the logic on one line - I may be mistaken but it looked wrong > to my eye: > > -if(!get_gasp_flags(physDev, &flags) || flags & GASP_DOGRAY) > +if(get_gasp_flags(physDev, &flags) && (flags & GASP_DOGR

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-03 Thread Huw D M Davies
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 08:19:58AM +0200, Lionel Ulmer wrote: > The only problem I see is with people having a self-compiled FreeType > library with hinting enabled. Why cripple their configuration too by default ? > > Is there no way to detect at compile / run-time what kind of FreeType > library

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-03 Thread Dimi Paun
On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 21:46 +0900, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: > Could you enlighten me by listing those "good reasons" here? I suspect > that the real "problem" with licensing the patented technologies in > Linux is a general stance of GPL and Linux crowd regarding software > patents making them "non-

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-03 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
"Dimi Paun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry Dmitry, but to me it seems ridiculous to argue against a fairly > well known fact. The AA TrueType fonts has been an ongoing problem for > _years_ with no solution in sight, whereas our Wine 0.9 release should > be available in a matter of weeks. Give

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-02 Thread Dimi Paun
On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 09:17 +0900, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: > > 1. As far as I know licensing patented hinting technology from Apple > is a 1 time cost, and not huge amount of money at all. This makes no difference, as it will not allow others to redistribute the distro, which makes it a non-optio

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-02 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
"Mike Hearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In any case if a Wine user wants to see correctly displayed TrueType > > fonts with correct document layout (as it depends on the rendered glyph > > metrics) he/she has to use patented FreeType. And that's for sure the > > problem of a Linux distro vendo

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-02 Thread Francois Gouget
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Lionel Ulmer wrote: [...] The only problem I see is with people having a self-compiled FreeType library with hinting enabled. Why cripple their configuration too by default ? Yes, why cripple Wine for people using a real Linux distribution like Debian. ;-) -- Francois Go

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-02 Thread Mike Hearn
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:21:21 +0900, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: > That's not a Wine problem, that's a correct behaviour. This is a reasonable argument, but for such a user visible and annoying problem I think we have to make this a special case. > I'd argue that it's not a Wine problem/bug at all I

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-02 Thread Joerg Mayer
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 08:19:58AM +0200, Lionel Ulmer wrote: > The only problem I see is with people having a self-compiled FreeType > library with hinting enabled. Why cripple their configuration too by default ? > > Is there no way to detect at compile / run-time what kind of FreeType > library

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-01 Thread Lionel Ulmer
On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 10:42:34PM -0600, Vitaliy Margolen wrote: > Bottom line we have to fix. Users started to complain immediately after > 20050930 > was out. Even if it's not 100% correct we still cant cripple the Wine with > such > an ugly fonts. The only problem I see is with people having

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-01 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Saturday, October 1, 2005, 10:21:21 PM, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: > I'd argue that it's not a Wine problem/bug at all, we can do nothing to > improve > hinting support in FreeType. And crippling Crossover (by making it differ with > WineHQ for no good reason) because of that is not a way to go IMO.

Re: Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-01 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
"Mike Hearn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is a serious problem with Wine 0.9 as-is, namely that we now respect > Windows antialiasing settings. That's not a Wine problem, that's a correct behaviour. > If you have a patented bytecode hinter enabled FreeType, things look OK: > > http://pl

Stop-ship 0.9 problem

2005-10-01 Thread Mike Hearn
There is a serious problem with Wine 0.9 as-is, namely that we now respect Windows antialiasing settings. If you have a patented bytecode hinter enabled FreeType, things look OK: http://plan99.net/~mike/files/hinted-fonts.jpg but if you don't (like 99% of Linux users): http://www.republika