Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-31 Thread Tim Kosse
Mike Hearn wrote: Well if you can get the email address of a WoW developer then maybe we can track down where the problem in WoW is and work with them to fix it. You might have some luck contacting Sam Lantinga. He is the creator and current maintainer of the SDL library and works for Blizzard

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Mike Hearn
On 5/30/06, n0dalus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be really great if someone could document the patch and explain what exactly is stopping WoW from working (as well as which changes would cause problems for other programs). It's a bug in WoW itself, it relies upon the exact way NT maps

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Mike Hearn wrote: It's a bug in WoW itself, it relies upon the exact way NT maps memory which is different to how Linux does it. I guess they are storing information in the high bits of a pointer somewhere or some similar trick. Since WoW also runs on MacOSX, how does the memory layout on

Re: Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread fenix
Message d'origine Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:08:42 +0200 De: Tomas Carnecky [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copie à: wine-devel@winehq.com, n0dalus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sujet: Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff Mike Hearn wrote: It's a bug

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Tomas Carnecky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, they have added this regressions after a little patch-set. So they can fix it. And as we can't download a playable demo ... Interesting.. if MacOSX has a similar memory layout as linux, maybe we could get Blizzard to include a workaround that is only active when

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Mike Hearn
On Tue, 30 May 2006 16:08:42 +0200, Tomas Carnecky wrote: Since WoW also runs on MacOSX, how does the memory layout on MacOSX differ from NT and Linux? I have no idea, but the MacOS and Windows versions of WoW will be different; probably the bug is only in the Windows specific parts of the

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Mike Hearn
Interesting.. if MacOSX has a similar memory layout as linux, maybe we could get Blizzard to include a workaround that is only active when it sees that it's running under wine/cedega. Well if you can get the email address of a WoW developer then maybe we can track down where the problem in WoW

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Boaz Harrosh
Mike Hearn wrote: It's a bug in WoW itself, it relies upon the exact way NT maps memory which is different to how Linux does it. I guess they are storing information in the high bits of a pointer somewhere or some similar trick. One can never be sure, but I suspect this is not do to a bug but

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread n0dalus
On 5/30/06, Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been discussed previously. It looks likely that to fix this so WoW works out of the box requires extensive and intricate changes to the core of either Wine or the kernel to provide a more accurate match to the NT memory layout model. I

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Mike Hearn
WoW Has a all chain of checks that go up all the way to rootkit reveler to make sure the user is not aided by an automatic system, Given the player an advantage other players do not have. The Memory layout checks is for making sure the program is not loaded by a Debugger of sorts. Or that core

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-30 Thread Raphael
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 16:37, Mike Hearn wrote: Interesting.. if MacOSX has a similar memory layout as linux, maybe we could get Blizzard to include a workaround that is only active when it sees that it's running under wine/cedega. Well if you can get the email address of a WoW developer

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-29 Thread Mike Hearn
On Mon, 22 May 2006 19:18:07 +0100, Nick Law wrote: Below is an email regarding this partiicular problem, I would be grateful for any comments that I can pass back to Jan Riewe. Thanks Hi Nick, This has been discussed previously. It looks likely that to fix this so WoW works out of the box

World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-23 Thread Nick Law
Opening up the debate again on the World of Warcraft ( WoW ) memory patch. Some facts about WoW that may explain why the AppDB page is pretty active and the wow patch for wine 0.9.12 was downloaded over 1000 times from the Appdb page during a 4 week period Wow has approximately 6 million

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-02 Thread Mike Hearn
Well ever since me, Mike and Alexandre did the preloader work a few years ago Wine itself has been execshield resistant, but the apps themselves may not be (my guess is that this is why Microsoft have not implemented it themselves ... that and they appear to be scared of their own dynamic linker

World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-01 Thread Mike Hearn
(yeah i'm bored :/) Seems the WoW appdb page (apart from being a great example of what an appdb entry should be like!) recommends users patch their Wine to run WoW properly. The patch is this one, which I am SURE we discussed before but I can't find the thread! So my questions are: * Is this

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-01 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Mike Hearn wrote: (yeah i'm bored :/) Seems the WoW appdb page (apart from being a great example of what an appdb entry should be like!) recommends users patch their Wine to run WoW properly. The patch is this one, which I am SURE we discussed before but I can't find the thread! So my

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-01 Thread Troy Rollo
On Monday 01 May 2006 20:59, Mike Hearn wrote: * Is this working around a bug in WoW? (my guess - almost certainly yes) Perhaps, but there are other problems with the Linux kernel not using the entire address space. * What exactly is it doing?! No comments! It seems to be forcing the

Re: World of Warcraft (WoW) patch/more address space layout stuff

2006-05-01 Thread n0dalus
On 5/1/06, Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems the WoW appdb page (apart from being a great example of what an appdb entry should be like!) recommends users patch their Wine to run WoW properly. The patch mentioned particularly causes problems on systems like Fedora with randomized