Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Decentralized internet
On 02/19/2017 09:27 AM, Claudio Pisa wrote: > On 02/05/2017 11:57 AM, nemesis wrote: >> Io e Hispanico siamo a FOSDEM nella decentralized internet devroom, > > Quello che mi salta all'occhio e' che parliamo di "decentralized > internet", ma Internet al momento (almeno ai livelli 1-2-3) e' > decentralizzata. Cosa volevano dire gli organizzatori con questo titolo? Sarebbe da chiedere a loro, ma andando indietro riesco a ritrovare l'annuncio iniziale che venne forwardato su varie liste: https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2016-November/002495.html I pezzi salienti a mio avviso: "PCs are less and less used while smartphones are soaring and data is collected and stored on servers on which we have very limited control as users." ... "What happened to our freedom and empowerment in the meantime? The outlook is not so great: we have less and less control over our digital environment." "Network Neutrality is in danger and most code we use is proprietary and runs on servers we don't have control over." ... "We invite projects/individual working around these issues/topics to submit proposals" ... Topics could include all layers of the stack, from network, hardware, OS, platform, apps and services: * Community-driven networks, DIY access providers, * Self-hosting software and distributions, * Software aimed at keeping control over personal data, * Community-hosted alternatives to GAFA Nemesis ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Decentralized internet
On 02/05/2017 11:57 AM, nemesis wrote: > Io e Hispanico siamo a FOSDEM nella decentralized internet devroom, Quello che mi salta all'occhio e' che parliamo di "decentralized internet", ma Internet al momento (almeno ai livelli 1-2-3) e' decentralizzata. Cosa volevano dire gli organizzatori con questo titolo? Clauz ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Decentralized internet
2017-02-17 18:17 GMT+01:00 willi uebelherr : > On 17/02/2017 12:18, Germano Massullo wrote: > >> Il 05/02/2017 11:57, nemesis ha scritto: >> >>> - nextcloud (fork di owncloud con federazione): https://nextcloud.com/ >>> >> nextcloud è più di un semplice fork. Per farla breve è come Libreoffice >> i cui sviluppatori provengono da Openoffice >> > > Dear friends, > > we need some clearness in the terms. Thanks to Germano. > OpenOffice is now Oracle. If we want some clearness in the terms, what you said was valid during 2012 (Oracle OpenOffice 3.3). OpenOffice (or, more correctly, Apache OpenOffice) is developed by the Apache Software Foundation since 2013. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice#History LibreOffice is free and open and indpendent. > LibreOffice is a project of The Document Foundation. I am a LibreOffice user and a member of LibreItalia, but it doesn't look fair to me to implicitly suggest that OpenOffice is not free/open/independent. The InterNet, the Inter-connection of local Net-works, is the > transportsystem for digital data in packet form. From there the name. But, > because we speak about "Net" and the net-topolgy don't exist in the > telecommunication, we don't have an InterNet. We have to create it. > > Nextcloud is lying in the application layer and therefore have nothing to > do with the InterNet. And if we create our local networks, our community > networks, we install the servers in this local networks. Then we don't need > "NextCloud". > Are you talking about NextCloud as software or are you criticizing the usage of the word "cloud" for a distributed/federated opensource project? In the first case I would say that yes, we need it, as we need minio, tahoe-lafs and others projects. Sorry, but I am more confused by this last email that the one from Germano, and I still don't get what Germano said wrong: was it something he said in another mail or during the IRC meeting? Cheers, Frafra ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Decentralized internet
On 17/02/2017 12:18, Germano Massullo wrote: Il 05/02/2017 11:57, nemesis ha scritto: - nextcloud (fork di owncloud con federazione): https://nextcloud.com/ nextcloud è più di un semplice fork. Per farla breve è come Libreoffice i cui sviluppatori provengono da Openoffice Dear friends, we need some clearness in the terms. Thanks to Germano. OpenOffice is now Oracle. LibreOffice is free and open and indpendent. The InterNet, the Inter-connection of local Net-works, is the transportsystem for digital data in packet form. From there the name. But, because we speak about "Net" and the net-topolgy don't exist in the telecommunication, we don't have an InterNet. We have to create it. Nextcloud is lying in the application layer and therefore have nothing to do with the InterNet. And if we create our local networks, our community networks, we install the servers in this local networks. Then we don't need "NextCloud". greetings, willi ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Decentralized internet
Il 05/02/2017 11:57, nemesis ha scritto: > - nextcloud (fork di owncloud con federazione): https://nextcloud.com/ nextcloud è più di un semplice fork. Per farla breve è come Libreoffice i cui sviluppatori provengono da Openoffice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[Ninux-Wireless] Decentralized internet
Io e Hispanico siamo a FOSDEM nella decentralized internet devroom, hanno presentato un pò di progetti interessanti che già conosciamo ma dovremmo cominciare a giocarci di più: - matrix.org: http://matrix.org/ (ne abbiamo discusso all'ultimo IRC meeting) - nextcloud (fork di owncloud con federazione): https://nextcloud.com/ - cozycloud https://cozy.io Nemesis ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
