Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-11 Thread jp
I think it would make great sense. It would increase security for the peers as well, if it could get it from a local user more often and a less often from a potentially entertainment industry monitored source. We also use private ASNs at sites, and we have one Internet-facing public ASN

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive_network_Provider_Participation_for_P2P P4P is trying to do something very much like that. Lots of issues to work out as yet. P2P will evolve but likely will be a mix of P2P/P4P. I know I would love to have a P2P cache box to ease/defray the load (off peak,

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Blair Davis
here to help you" Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release On Tue, 2008-1

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release If you put it in your AUP, and make sure your users know about it, then you are fine. It is the hiding of it and lying about it that got comcast

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread David E. Smith
Josh Luthman wrote: I don't believe Comcast lied nor lied about it. I read in the news that they announced their monthly bandwidth limits and Bittorent throttling practices became well known. Is this not the case? I do believe that limiting the type of traffic is wrong, however the amount

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I see - didn't hear that they denied traffic shaping. I must be behind on the information as I only heard they announced their network was doing so. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Mike Hammett
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release Can you go into detail on to what happened or some information to it? All I saw was the nice and clean 500gigs/mo is enough for everyone, we're

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick
: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release Can you go into detail on to what happened or some information to it? All I saw was the nice and clean 500gigs/mo is enough for everyone, we're limiting torrent traffic announcements

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick
] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release Can you go into detail on to what happened or some information to it? All I saw was the nice and clean 500gigs/mo is enough for everyone, we're limiting

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-09 Thread Matt
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/richard_bennett_bittorrent_udp/ Would it not make sense for bittorrrent clients to have a preference to share with users under the same AS number? Would not help much on last mile but might on Internet backbone. Matt

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-08 Thread Steve Barnes
Think the author had it right the first time. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-08 Thread Drew Lentz
To me this is the scary part: The overall picture suggests that uTP has a serious flaw. If it simply relies on latency measurements to find preferred paths, it¹s likely to favor paths where it¹s successfully circumventing management. When a path is managed to give UDP priority over TCP (as is

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-08 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:03 -0600, Drew Lentz wrote: Another solution would be for traffic shapers to look inside the UDP payload in order to differentiate VoIP from uTP, but this approach is frustrated by the protocol obfuscation option that remains a live feature in BitTorrent over uTP.

Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release

2008-12-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
It's a good thing I didn't get into being a voip provider. Shouldn't I be able to block it all now? Butch Evans wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:03 -0600, Drew Lentz wrote: " Another solution would be for traffic shapers to look inside the UDP payload in order to differentiate