Re: [WISPA] VOIP
Marlon started it. He brought the bottle of whiskey! This is a good point though. Those brainstorming sessions face to face are hard to beat at any price. Much is learned and shared by all in a very short time span. :-) Scriv I suspect the next show I attend - - there will be a major emphasis on VOIP on the side line!! We may even get kicked out of several different places while this discussion goes on - - from the bar to the game room to a living room or a hallway - - - - eh Scriv? :-) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re[2]: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps
Hello Brian, Tessco has climbing stuff and Tennessee Equipment is another option. Lurk on the Tower-pro list for other climbing stuff. We need to hook up for lunch someday, we are not that far apart! Barry Tuesday, August 16, 2005, 10:58:25 AM, you wrote: BR I'll need to order today. Does midwest have the best prices? I want a BR double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is BR this just super high quality? I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing BR gear. I know I knowI could die. BR is this the best positioning strap? BR http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241 BR The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks. Anymore suggestions? BR George wrote: http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229 George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I just bought a harness. (I know, two years in and it's my first harness) I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or two, does it take 2?) Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price. Or maybe medium quality. I don't want to go broke or fall. :) Thanks. -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps
Ah, I found 'em! Glenmartin.com is a good supplier too. These were the rest of the order... Item No. = RG-5000 Product = Wire Rope Grab Total Price = 195.00 Item No. = FP-13400 Product = Tower Positioning Kit Total Price = 121.95 Item No. = FP-17242 Product = Auto-Twist Lock Aluminum Carabiner Total Price = 53.90 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps I bought the following from tasco-safety.com - they seemed to have the best prices on good quality stuff. Item Ref. Price ea. Qty. Description 28003 $35.00 1 Master Series 1/2 x 3' Centurion Rope Lanyard 35346 $68.00 1 Master Series 1 x 6' NoPac Shock Absorbing Polyester Lanyard (2 legs) 66623 $244.00 1 Eagle Tower LX Harness -XL I also bought a rope-grabber, quite a few REAL carabiners, and a clamp set with large Dring for the seat in the harness... Total purchase was around $600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps I'll need to order today. Does midwest have the best prices? I want a double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is this just super high quality? I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing gear. I know I knowI could die. is this the best positioning strap? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241 The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks. Anymore suggestions? George wrote: http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229 George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I just bought a harness. (I know, two years in and it's my first harness) I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or two, does it take 2?) Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price. Or maybe medium quality. I don't want to go broke or fall. :) Thanks. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree
Robert, You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is whereimprovements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state. Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first point. Its stillawkward. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... Thats a good point. hmmm... the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back to the state you want... it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme see.. On 8/15/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your next enhancement. I am a customer looking for service. I go to the site, click WISP (I know what I want) and click on my state. I would want to see some indication there are providers there. Next click, markers, all the way in to the one I want. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wispa wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:28:05 -0700 Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... oops... sorry... heres the url http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ remember.. just double left click on the map till you geta popup window that lets you add a point.. -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://evdo-coverage.com http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com http://hsdpa-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 102 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 --- End of Original Message --- --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisorhttp://evdo-coverage.comhttp://wirelessinternetcoverage.com http://hsdpa-coverage.com2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 102Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisorhttp://evdo-coverage.comhttp://wirelessinternetcoverage.comhttp://hsdpa-coverage.com2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101Suite 102Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps
I will add... I bought a rope grabber for 3/8 metal wire. I made the mistake of buying the inexpensive $99 version, it is a pain to work with because it needs to be assembled around the wire/rope, and is difficult to do as I climb the tower and need to remove it to go over the brackets that fasten the wire to the tower. The $250 good version is preferred, and worth every penny, because it will actually be used instead of sitting in a bucket. It is better because it can very easilly be released to wrap around the wire without taking it apart. I forget the names of them, but the sellers know what I'm referring to. Tom DeReggi - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps I bought the following from tasco-safety.com - they seemed to have the best prices on good quality stuff. Item Ref. Price ea. Qty. Description 28003 $35.00 1 Master Series 1/2 x 3' Centurion Rope Lanyard 35346 $68.00 1 Master Series 1 x 6' NoPac Shock Absorbing Polyester Lanyard (2 legs) 66623 $244.00 1 Eagle Tower LX Harness -XL I also bought a rope-grabber, quite a few REAL carabiners, and a clamp set with large Dring for the seat in the harness... Total purchase was around $600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps I'll need to order today. Does midwest have the best prices? I want a double lanyard but they are 150 - 200, it that what they all run or is this just super high quality? I didn't want to have 1000 into climbing gear. I know I knowI could die. is this the best positioning strap? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10241 The double lanyard needs to have the big fat hooks. Anymore suggestions? George wrote: http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10229 George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I just bought a harness. (I know, two years in and it's my first harness) I need a nice double lanyard and a positioning strap (or two, does it take 2?) Where can I find good quality, but not a premium price. Or maybe medium quality. I don't want to go broke or fall. :) Thanks. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree
Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user. Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert, You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them. My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is where improvements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state. Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first point. Its still awkward. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... Thats a good point. hmmm... the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back to the state you want... it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme see.. On 8/15/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your next enhancement. I am a customer looking for service. I go to the site, click WISP (I know what I want) and click on my state. I would want to see some indication there are providers there. Next click, markers, all the way in to the one I want. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wispa wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:28:05 -0700 Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... oops... sorry... heres the url http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ remember.. just double left click on the map till you get a popup window that lets you add a point.. -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://evdo-coverage.com http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com http://hsdpa-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 102 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor
Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree
John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree... well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya :o) currently our map has this data http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg but since the DB ties are not done yet... http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg is what you'll get till we are done... working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have too On 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user. Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert,You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is whereimprovements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state. Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first point. Its stillawkward. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... Thats a good point. hmmm...the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back to the state you want... it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme see.. On 8/15/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your next enhancement. I am a customer looking for service. I go to the site, click WISP (I know what I want) and click on my state. I would want to see some indication there are providers there. Next click, markers, all the way in to the one I want. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net-- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wispa wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:28:05 -0700 Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY...oops... sorry... heres the url http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/ remember.. just double left click on the map till you geta popup window that lets you add a point.. -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://evdo-coverage.com http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com http://hsdpa-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 102 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://evdo-coverage.com http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com
Re: [WISPA] VOIP
Hiya Jon, Glad to see you are finally off of that Prozac stuff! grin I'll step (not too far) out on a limb and assume you are talking about *this* know it all as one of those you are obviously tired of. Let me see if I can address your points one at a time. More below Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam I've cut out all the voip stuff. I don't believe people (as a group) are going to make money at it. There's wayy too much competition. And heck, the trend out here is already turning out to be the elimination of standard phone lines! Everyone has at least one cell phone. Who needs the typical telco with it's attitude and cords. I think you did hit the nail on the head for where money will be with voip though. QoS. We don't block or hurt voip. But if you want it to get special treatment for your voip line(s), that's an extra $5 per month. I think voip will do about as much for the side of this industry as Hotspots did. Nothing. The publicity has been great and there certainly has been a symbiotic growth of the wisp market as people learned what this wireless stuff is about though. Watch out...uh...uhuh...rant Apparently everything you need to learn about QoS, deploying VoIP, reselling options and the gear can all be found, touched and tested in newsgroups online for free. Not entirely true, but surprisingly close today. You can also save a lot of time by asking the know-it-alls that don't attend events anymore. They are by far the best to ask because there's nothing left for them to learn or teach other people about the same old rusty technology that never, ever changes in any environment. I think that has two sides. First, this know-it-all is busy keeping a network of 6000 square miles running. Putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak. We're up to 225 wireless subs, 50 firber to the home subs and down to 350ish dial-up subs by the way. We take care of all of that with 1.75 people and a couple of good server consultants who work as needed. I'm not at shows for two and only two reasons. Our cahsflow is amazing and certainly good. It's NOT making up for the customer aquisition costs though. I still (barely) break even. This is not as bad of a thing as it sounds though. We peaked out at about 600 dial-up subs (in an area that everyone originally said was impossible to service). My gross customer base has stayed pretty much the same overall for the last year or two but that's a major victory for a traditional isp these days. Our profitability per customer is way up (200% or so). If we could just stop adding new customers we'd be in an entirely different finantial possition. It's strange, we went from 4 to 6 new wireless subs per month to 3 to 5 per WEEK over night. And we've been at nearly that pace for about 18 months now. We're averaging a bit less than that but only because I can't keep my shelves stocked. It takes time (about 30 to 45 days) for the money to roll over. We loose $50 to $100 per subscirber with every install. That is gross costs, gas, labor, screws, wire, car etc. Not just the cost of a radio and antenna. I was about to add a fuel surcharge but the radios have come down so I won't be doing that. And my losses are now closer to $50 or less per sub. I can hear it now, my banker keeps saying it too. If you are growing that fast, raise your prices. I've got a LOT of competition on a per customer basis. DSL, Cable, Fiber, WISPs or all of the above in almost all coverage zones. To me, this is about getting as many wireless customers as possible before the bottom falls totally out of the broadband market. Broadband is, after all, just internet. We'll see broadband follow the same path as dialup. Actually, in most areas I know of, it's already happening. Besides, their WISP and VoIP businesses have become way too massive and profitable to take time away to show others how they did it or give back to the industry w/o being paid. see above. *I* don't have the spare funds OR the time to go to any shows that I don't get paid to be at. Don't get me wrong here, the shows are IMPORTANT. Critically so. There is much to learn, and more importantly, people to meet. Much info is avialable for fee today. But it still takes eyeball to eyeball time to create relationships. And that means going to shows. Don't lose hope though, just be patient with your requests, you'll get an emailed response at some point and I'm sure you'll have everything you could possibly require to build end-to-end QoS into that VoIPwork in no time - and for FREE to boot! Kinda. No one that I know REALLY knows what he's talking
Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree
Some are typists, some are clickers. Clickers don't type. Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home. Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me. And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle. If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me. If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree... well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya :o) currently our map has this data http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg but since the DB ties are not done yet... http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg is what you'll get till we are done... working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have too On 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user. Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert, You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them. My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is where improvements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state. Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first point. Its still awkward. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY... Thats a good point. hmmm... the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back to the state you want... it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme see.. On 8/15/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is your next enhancement. I am a customer looking for
Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree
Scott.. that makes sense.. i think what we will do is have a button next to the CITY/ZIP filters that say, SHOW SURROUNDING Wireless Internet Service Providers that will make sure the map is more useful... thoughts? John, can we do this??? On 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some are typists, some are clickers. Clickers don't type. Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home. Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me. And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle. If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me. If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree...well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya :o) currently our map has this data http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg but since the DB ties are not done yet... http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg is what you'll get till we are done...working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have tooOn 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user. Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert, You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is whereimprovements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state. Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites in the area on the full zoom out national view. If you click on ome of them then when you zoom in it stays homed in on the region. But then none of the other points show up on the maps, until you unclick on the first point. Its stillawkward. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLEMAP URL - SORRY...Thats a good point. hmmm... the only problem with populating points by clicking a state.. while it DOES remove that extra filter step... is that XML lookups take some time.. and if you click the wrong state.. it'll take 10 secs to get back to the state you want... it may be worth it though... its a trade off... lemme see..On 8/15/05, Scott Reed
RE: [WISPA] VOIP
Marlon, please don't take anything I said personally bud - it wasn't directed at you or anyone specifically. I've always said that you are a great guy, you give a ton of great, practical, free advice. That's nothing short of inspiring. We all have to share and give more back to your industry than what we take in order to help it grow along with our business. I get frustrated when I read things that run counter to this thinking though and that prozac 'n jack cocktail just isn't enough.;-) So the jab was at the concept of not going to shows because someone knows everything, there's nothing left to learn and ironically the money is so tight that a free hall pass is the only thing that's mildly justifiable. If anything, that's the best reason to go to any show, join a newsgroup or association: help everyone else around you learn (competitor or not). The world and the industry are a better place even if our competitors are more intelligent, professional and successful. The worst competitors are ignorant spectrum hogs and fools who come to town, sign everyone up by undercutting you and then flame out after delivering poor, unreliable services. That's bad for them, you, me and most importantly the WISP industry and our image as a whole. Same can be said for Associations and the zillions of trade shows in our industry, so it's important for these things to exist and keep driving to raise the bar. We can't make everyone smart, ethical and professional, but we can have a positive impact and strive to create/raise the standards for everyone. I can (all too painfully well) understand the financial strains in the early phase of any business. We're a 4 person company that operates entirely on cash flow. I go through the same justification process for events, travel or any other expense. Every business needs to consider the long and short term interests and balance those things. I'm not advocating that every spare dime should be spent attending trade shows or joining every association out there either. I said this to John when I sent the suggestions for WISPA's event/media partnership policy: small doesn't have to equal unprofitable - that's the distinction we all need to make. Ideally we'd all figure out how to run efficient, pocket sized, easy-to-manage businesses that are insanely profitable and valuable regardless of their size. So let's get over the fact that we're small and figure out how to help each other become the profitable and professional businesses (large or small) that we all can and should be. Otherwise we should go fire up that tractor or dusty resume again. There's no reason why everyone has to remain permanently locked in fledgling mode. There are ways to break that cycle that we've got to help each other find or we'll need much more than this lightweight prozac stuff. I want to see us all break out of that cycle sooner than later and identify the paths that others can take to flourish as an industry. This is, as Michael Gerber says working ON your business rather than IN it. Largely, we've got an industry of technicians-turned-entrepreneur that are overwhelmed with working IN our businesses. That's not a business, it's a job and if you are like me, the boss is a total PITA. This isn't about making my shows a fit for WISPA or promoting my conference over someone else's. They all help in one way or another and have their place for each person's specific needs. VoIP could be a total waste of time for your market, but huge for people in other market conditions - doesn't make it good or bad, but we've got to help each other make those major distinctions rather than simultaneously lumbering through the process in our own vacuums. Newsgroups, Associations, Trade Shows, Magazines, Radio Shows, whatever...they are all part of getting there, no matter which ones you are involved with. Imho, the key (which was the rambling point I was trying to make in the last message) is to be part of the industry and avoid lowballing, freeloading and using everyone around you - it's bad for the industry and our image. To contribute and support these things that are part of your industry and extract value only AFTER you've contributed an equal or greater amount is the idea. That is the only way we can all succeed. If anything Marlon, you are a perfect example of someone who does just that - so if you haven't heard it lately, THANK YOU! So who here is going step up and help Marlon master his customer acquisition costs? Anyone? jp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP Hiya Jon, Glad to see you are finally off of that Prozac stuff! grin I'll step (not too far) out on a limb and assume you are talking about *this* know it all as one of those you are obviously tired of. Let me see if I can address your points one at a
Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)
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Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree
Or a button that says, "Show other sites by this provider". Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Scott.. that makes sense.. i think what we will do is have a button next to the CITY/ZIP filters that say, "SHOW SURROUNDING Wireless Internet Service Providers" that will make sure the map is more useful... thoughts? John, can we do this??? On 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some are typists, some are clickers. Clickers don't type. Not too hard to click on a state, click on a city and be close to home. Just need to be able to see the WISPs that are in town. I realize that you have drop downs for the cities, but as someone mentioned before, if I list my WISP as Richmond, then people in Webster, Williamsburg, Fountain City, Whitewater, Middlebourogh, Boston, Centerville, Mineral Springs, Cambridge City, Penville, Milton, Hagerstown, Greensfork, ... may not find me. And that is in a 10 to 15 mile circle. If they click on their town and get a 25 mile map with markers, they found me. If they put in their own zip, they may not find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree John, see below.. 2 links for you to compare for the Fieldmapping issue... Tom, Scott,, ok.. i see now... yes.. i agree...well... we do have a State/City/Zip filter.. that outta help... so that the user doesnt have to circumnavigate the globe to find ya :o) currently our map has this data http://photos21.flickr.com/34558146_a2c9ca64d4_o.jpg but since the DB ties are not done yet... http://photos22.flickr.com/34564496_549efc3f13_o.jpg is what you'll get till we are done... working on it now.. lemme know what other thoughts you have tooOn 8/16/05, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is what my original post was about as well. I do not have a problem with how to enter, though I hope I can edit soon. It is a pain for the potential customer. I always tell the programmers that have worked for me, "I do not care how hard it is for you, it MUST be easy for the user". Same here, doesn't have to be super easy for me to get my sites listed, but the potential customer should not have to work to find me. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Robert, You may have misunderstood. Entering my sites is NOT awkward for me, and I do not mind the proceedure. I am a technical person, intuitive to figure it out, and worth my time to enter once, regardless if awkward, for the advantage of many to open easilly. My complaint, was for prospects to find my info after it was entered, was awkward for them. If it is awkward for the porspect, they won't spend the time to locate all the possible cell site locations available to them.My concern is strictly about improving the ease and accuracy for the prospect to find the data on the map. That is whereimprovements are needed most. I agree that your project is comming along well, and I appreciate your contribution. My comments are strictly meant as helpful criticism so it may continue to evolve. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Awkward.. i agree Tom.. awkward is the right word.. and i do agree.. the good news is that while its not ideal for you to enter your points yet (getting better) your potential clients will have a pretty simple time of it.. but.. .i'm still working on it.. On 8/15/05, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see autozoom to the state level when you click on the state. Its difficult to make out the up to 100 sites
Re: [WISPA] General Views on Wireless...
I've alwaysfound the same feelingsout in the public.Perhaps aquality standard(and award) should be defined for our industry? That said, I also find most of the issues are interference related ;( On 8/16/05, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at what people are saying in everyday conversation on isp-clec.It's been several years since I tried to overcome these issues but I don't see where they have changed one bit. So in our area you have 4 choices for internet; wireless (lacks dependability), cable, satellite and Qwest (or a Qwest reseller). Just what the commissioner meant when he said we have real competition... I replied with the fact that in 3 years, Sprint DSL has been down in our area for 2 weeks...while we've had a total of 1 or 2 days...Still, this perception HAS to change... I imagine only a massive marketing campaign from a telco would be ABLE to change it... --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
