RE: [WISPA] Looking for...
I have been looking to implement this as well with our MT boxes. Does anyone have any samples? I know how to redirect an ip in the MT boxes but how do you redirect to a specific web page? Unless you setup a web server on the ip with a generic page just for that server you would get the main web site on the web server ip. Now if you could go to ip/yourshutoff.html that would be different. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Hamilton Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for... Redirect that IP to a webserver on your network. You can do that on just about any core router, Star-Os, MT and so on. Bo Ray Jean wrote: Looking for a intro page, webpage ect.. That will let a customer know that their end user modem for wireless service has been cut off or deactivated due to lack of payments. When they click on their browser to view a website I would like the page to say; something like, Sorry due to non-payment your internet web surfing has been stopped.. Does anyone have a template or know how to make this work on the wireless modems? Thanks Jean www.surfmore.net -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
I think folks have pretty much taken care of the base issue. I beleive the recommendations for grounding are to use solid wire, not stranded. If you can, use #2 or larger. The goal with grounding, if it is for lightning protection, is to get the lowest impedance possible to ground. Spread the ground rods out as much as you can. Connect them each to the tower AND to each other. Pick a point in that that is your ground point and make sure everything connects to that one point. For more information on grounding, see: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13235689~mode=flat~days= Not completely about grounding, but lots of helpful info. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13978705 Includes some good diagrams. http://www.startawisp.com/content/category/8/79/58/ A collection of grounding tips. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:21:37 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs. Anyone have any suggestions for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one. So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this tower. Nothing huge. Brian Mark Koskenmaki wrote: 15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that big. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs. Anyone have any suggestions for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
Ya, I finally understood the diagram. I have to calculate my "w", "x", and "d" to figure the base. http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm Brian Scott Reed wrote: I think folks have pretty much taken care of the base issue. I beleive the recommendations for grounding are to use solid wire, not stranded. If you can, use #2 or larger. The goal with grounding, if it is for lightning protection, is to get the lowest impedance possible to ground. Spread the ground rods out as much as you can. Connect them each to the tower AND to each other. Pick a point in that that is your ground point and make sure everything connects to that one point. For more information on grounding, see: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13235689~mode=flat~days= Not completely about grounding, but lots of helpful info. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13978705 Includes some good diagrams. http://www.startawisp.com/content/category/8/79/58/ A collection of grounding tips. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:21:37 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs. Anyone have any suggestions for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] REMINDER! Deadline Nearing.
test - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' ; 'Principal WISPA Member List' ; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com ; 'Indiana WISP Discussion' Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: [WISPA] REMINDER! Deadline Nearing. The Deadline to submit the MANDANTORY FCC broadband reporting form 477 is September 1st. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html The form can be downloaded at: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 The Report and Order dated 11/04 is found at: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-266A1.pdf Fines can be assessed to anyone who provides broadband services and does not submit this form. Dont procrastinate any longer, it may take one of your employees several days to complete the form the first time they do it. We completed it in March so this time wasnt as bad. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
I know. On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his VW Bug on top of it. I want to build it to take whatever people want to put on it. Scott Reed wrote: Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment. Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one. So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this tower. Nothing huge. Brian Mark Koskenmaki wrote: 15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that big. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs. Anyone have any suggestions for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for...
I am doing this without MT.. but I do have Linux running a transparent bridge between my customers and my core router. Use iptables to redirect (DNAT) the src IP address web requests to my webserver (I redirect requests to port 80 to my webservers address on port 88) and then have the virtual host on that web server which listens to that IP on port 88 use Mod_ReWrite to redirect all of the REQUEST_URIs to index.html. Using this system, If I want to shut off a customer, all I do is enter their assigned IP once into IP tables, and ANY web reqests gets my index.html page. It works for http://yahoo.com/ and for http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788 Two things to keep in mind.. 1.You want to be careful about how much (possibly private) information is put on your web page. It may be fine to use that page to inform your customer that they are a deadbeat, except that you cannot know which member of the customer's family, friends, or relatives may be the first one use the customer's computer while visiting on vacation and be the one who gets to read about your customer's account status. Your lawyer may have better advice. 2. It is probably a good idea to make your web page non-cacheable, so that when your customer does pay their bill and you re-enable their access, they don't keep seeing your page instead of http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788 John JNA wrote: I have been looking to implement this as well with our MT boxes. Does anyone have any samples? I know how to redirect an ip in the MT boxes but how do you redirect to a specific web page? Unless you setup a web server on the ip with a generic page just for that server you would get the main web site on the web server ip. Now if you could go to ip/yourshutoff.html that would be different. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Hamilton Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for... Redirect that IP to a webserver on your network. You can do that on just about any core router, Star-Os, MT and so on. Bo Ray Jean wrote: Looking for a intro page, webpage ect.. That will let a customer know that their end user modem for wireless service has been cut off or deactivated due to lack of payments. When they click on their browser to view a website I would like the page to say; something like, Sorry due to non-payment your internet web surfing has been stopped.. Does anyone have a template or know how to make this work on the wireless modems? Thanks Jean www.surfmore.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the charges and fees for the truck. Yeah, but bad back for the month, costs more. :-( Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the charges and fees for the truck. I guess I'll let you guys know in 2 months how it went. My brother does concrete for a living, so I hope to cut it down to 1 month because I have a "pro" working for me. :)JohnnyO wrote: 2ft wide x 4ft long x 4ft deep There you go ! You will need 2.4cubic yards of concrete - which means - approx 220 80lb sacks of ready mix - Call in a cement truck for this... You'll be mixing for 2 months by hand :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower Found it. But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to be. http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm Brian Rohrbacher wrote: As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10. All I want is the dumb thing to say "dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer." I still have no idea how big of a hole I need. A. Huppenthal wrote: The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never* really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-) Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That one has 7 sections and mine has 5. I never found the specs for base. I'll keep looking. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower Please read this and the manual from the site. You do not have nearly enough concrete for the base. Lonnie On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs. Anyone have any suggestions for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
That really depends on your financial situation. Depending on how bad you need he money and how much risk there will be to the investor will determine the terms. Borrowing less money is rarely a benefit to the investor to get you better terms, because the investment then becomes less lower scale with less of a return to justify all the beaurocracy involved in negotiating the deal. What you will find is no one wants to buy a burn rate. No one wants to invest in a business where all the needed employess aren't getting paid by the existing revenues. They need to know that if they give you money, and it sits in your bank account, it would still be there six months later if you didn't expand, so they'd be able to get their money back. The second the money is used for going after potential, marketing, increasing staff, deployment of new sites without exisitng custoemrs, etc, there is significant risk and the deal changes to the investors favor. Its hard because to make your company look good for taxes means making it look bad for an investor and vice versa. Investors prefer to see a company which stands on its own with little ties financially to the owners. More so, they want to see a clear plan of how, when, and what profit the investor should expect a paypack. ON the far end of the spectrum, a VC, will look to find at minimum 500% ROI in 5 years. And you usually need to be cash flow positive for that. Sometimes taking on an investor really means taking on a business partner not a lendor, with a loss of control or freedom. However, if your company is at a sound stage, and you have the track record in place to justify your proposed ROI, Investors are looking for places to put their money, when they are probably making less than nothing with it sitting in the bank or in the stock market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] Taking on an investor? Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and wondering how I should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some serious capitol? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 08/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
boy are we lucky out here in rural america. I can get1 yard tacked on to someone elses load for the regular per yard price. but its like that in a small town rob - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the charges and fees for the truck. Yeah, but bad back for the month, costs more. :-( Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the charges and fees for the truck. I guess I'll let you guys know in 2 months how it went. My brother does concrete for a living, so I hope to cut it down to 1 month because I have a "pro" working for me. :)JohnnyO wrote: 2ft wide x 4ft long x 4ft deep There you go ! You will need 2.4cubic yards of concrete - which means - approx 220 80lb sacks of ready mix - Call in a cement truck for this... You'll be mixing for 2 months by hand :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower Found it. But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to be. http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm Brian Rohrbacher wrote: As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10. All I want is the dumb thing to say "dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer." I still have no idea how big of a hole I need. A. Huppenthal wrote: The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never* really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-) Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That one has 7 sections and mine has 5. I never found the specs for base. I'll keep looking. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower Please read this and the manual from the site. You do not have nearly enough concrete for the base. Lonnie On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs. Anyone have any suggestions for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
First ask yourself, how much control and equity am I willing to give up? Frank Muto President/Ceo FSM Marketing Group, Inc - Original Message - From: Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and wondering how I should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some serious capitol? Thanks Dan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features
Title: Message did I miss something, or is SPAM/UCE (though blatent) now allowed on the listserv? -Charles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric DaVersaSent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:08 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features Blatant Self Promotion Warning Ahead!!! For those interested in their own Wireless PreQual Tool fully integrated into your website with your coverage areas, we have just such a tool. It comes with a price; however, for Service Providers with wide coverage areas, a sales organization, reseller channel, and an interest in reducing truck rolls, this tool can be invaluable. http://demo.netlogix.com click on Enhanced Service Prequalification. Please feel free to contact me off-list if interested. Respectfully, Eric DaVersa Vice-President, Business Development NetLogix OFFICE: 858.764.1998 CELL: 858.245.6702 FAX: 858.764.1982 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet AdvisorSent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PMTo: wispa; John ResigSubject: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features Team, UPDATE: Single Point for Wisp is NOT on the plate - we've scrapped the idea .. thx tom. NEW FEATURES: The map is pretty solid.. we CURRENTLY are adding a cool, 1) SCROLL WHEEL ZOOM feature... so a click will just be a click ... 2) Loggin For self editing... 3) State Filter ADDING YOUR WISP: BUT.. since the ADD URL feature is still Down... if you want to get yourself on the map now... http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html is the admin panel... i just tested it... it works well. HOW TO ADD YOUR WISP: 1. Make sure that you use the very LAST FORM.2. Check, USE CURRENT GPS ON 3. under category, type, "wisp" 4.align your AP center to the cross hairs - you gotta zoom 5. Enter as much info as you can... the Address fields are now functional AND adding addresses will help for the state level filter Hit enter. thx.. and please let NON Wispa.org wisps know too... so that is map becomes popular and we all get more traffic _ IF there are some HUGE urgent correction issues.. lemme know what they are.. i will TRY to fit them in.. .. BUT since we will be going V1.0 soon.. your LOGIN/ADMIN feature may be ready for you to self correct.. thanks! -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisorhttp://evdo-coverage.comhttp://wirelessinternetcoverage.comhttp://hsdpa-coverage.com2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101Suite 102Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as that is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money That said, there is a fool born every day -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor? First ask yourself, how much control and equity am I willing to give up? Frank Muto President/Ceo FSM Marketing Group, Inc - Original Message - From: Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and wondering how I should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some serious capitol? Thanks Dan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features
:) Since it did go through, how about Back Charging vendors for WISPA memberships? Eric Rogers From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Charles Wu Sent: Mon 8/22/2005 3:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features did I miss something, or is SPAM/UCE (though blatent) now allowed on the listserv? -Charles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric DaVersa Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features Blatant Self Promotion Warning Ahead!!! For those interested in their own Wireless PreQual Tool fully integrated into your website with your coverage areas, we have just such a tool. It comes with a price; however, for Service Providers with wide coverage areas, a sales organization, reseller channel, and an interest in reducing truck rolls, this tool can be invaluable. http://demo.netlogix.com http://demo.netlogix.com/ - click on Enhanced Service Prequalification http://69.225.184.217:8081/netlogix/ . Please feel free to contact me off-list if interested. Respectfully, Eric DaVersa Vice-President, Business Development NetLogix OFFICE: 858.764.1998 CELL: 858.245.6702 FAX: 858.764.1982 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM To: wispa; John Resig Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features Team, UPDATE: Single Point for Wisp is NOT on the plate - we've scrapped the idea .. thx tom. NEW FEATURES: The map is pretty solid.. we CURRENTLY are adding a cool, 1) SCROLL WHEEL ZOOM feature... so a click will just be a click ... 2) Loggin For self editing... 3) State Filter ADDING YOUR WISP: BUT.. since the ADD URL feature is still Down... if you want to get yourself on the map now... http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html is the admin panel... i just tested it... it works well. HOW TO ADD YOUR WISP: 1. Make sure that you use the very LAST FORM. 2. Check, USE CURRENT GPS ON 3. under category, type, wisp 4. align your AP center to the cross hairs - you gotta zoom 5. Enter as much info as you can... the Address fields are now functional AND adding addresses will help for the state level filter Hit enter. thx.. and please let NON Wispa.org wisps know too... so that is map becomes popular and we all get more traffic _ IF there are some HUGE urgent correction issues.. lemme know what they are.. i will TRY to fit them in.. .. BUT since we will be going V1.0 soon.. your LOGIN/ADMIN feature may be ready for you to self correct.. thanks! -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://evdo-coverage.com http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com http://hsdpa-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 102 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
Title: Message sure a passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company is worthless, as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing, spending, cash distribution, etc) think about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just "invest it" into a company when the majority partner can do whatever he/she wants to and you have no recourse? -Charles ---WISPNOG Park City, UThttp://www.wispnog.comAugust 15-17, 2005 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan OliverSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?Charles,would you expand on that? On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will bewilling to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as thatis basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their moneyThat said, there is a fool born every day-Charles-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
Title: Message Well, I guess I found four "dumb" people that got me started. All my start up funds came from 4 people. All four were subs from a previous WISP I owned, (before my partner took everything over and left me out in the cold) they all said, "I want you providing service, not the "other guy". So here I am. 7 months in and going strong. Oh, almost forgot, like my lawyer has me say..all that is just my opinion. ;-) I think "dumb" investors are great! Charles Wu wrote: sure a passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company is worthless, as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing, spending, cash distribution, etc) think about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just "invest it" into a company when the majority partner can do whatever he/she wants to and you have no recourse? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor? Charles, would you expand on that? On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as that is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money That said, there is a fool born every day -Charles -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] winog
Here's some news Microserv Computer Technologies and Trango Broadband Wireless Set New Point-to-Point Wireless Link Record at 137.2 Miles at the WiNOG Backhaul Bash http://www.trangobroadband.com/about/pr_new_record.htm -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] winog Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] winog
Charles - this was during WiNOG ? I thought this was done about a month or so ago ? ? ? The archives on another list have this same information. Bullits list if I recall. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] winog Here's some news Microserv Computer Technologies and Trango Broadband Wireless Set New Point-to-Point Wireless Link Record at 137.2 Miles at the WiNOG Backhaul Bash http://www.trangobroadband.com/about/pr_new_record.htm -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] winog Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
Title: Message well...in determing their "dumbness" (assuming you're willing to divulge this information) - what sort of investment / equity share / control do your investors have? I mean...assuming it's you and the other 4, does everyone have an equal share? (which is a different story all together) or does 1 single person have a majority share and the other 4 are minority partners -Charles ---WISPNOG Park City, UThttp://www.wispnog.comAugust 15-17, 2005 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:05 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?Well, I guess I found four "dumb" people that got me started. All my start up funds came from 4 people. All four were subs from a previous WISP I owned, (before my partner took everything over and left me out in the cold) they all said, "I want you providing service, not the "other guy". So here I am. 7 months in and going strong. Oh, almost forgot, like my lawyer has me say..all that is just my opinion. ;-) I think "dumb" investors are great! Charles Wu wrote: sure a passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company is worthless, as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing, spending, cash distribution, etc) think about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just "invest it" into a company when the majority partner can do whatever he/she wants to and you have no recourse? -Charles ---WISPNOG Park City, UThttp://www.wispnog.comAugust 15-17, 2005 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dylan OliverSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?Charles,would you expand on that? On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will bewilling to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as thatis basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their moneyThat said, there is a fool born every day-Charles-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
Not true. Minority stakeholders are actually protected from this behavior in many states. I think the level is 15% in Colorado. If you aren't careful raising money you could end up with your Popsicle in a wringer. Check investment rules. If you take money which exceeds the a certain percentage of an individual's net worth, you could be in trouble. If you don't disclose risks you could be in deep weeds. You can find Angel investors - just google around for incubators or angel investors. They can and do know how to invest and how to help your company grow. Be prepared to sell off more of your company though as time moves forward. Charles Wu wrote: sure a passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company is worthless, as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing, spending, cash distribution, etc) think about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just invest it into a company when the majority partner can do whatever he/she wants to and you have no recourse? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com http://www.wispnog.com/ August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Oliver *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor? Charles, would you expand on that? On 8/22/05, *Charles Wu* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as that is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money That said, there is a fool born every day -Charles -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?
Title: Message Well, I guess we would call them loans as I have all control. Correct me if I am wrong. They gave me money at a fixed rate. Loans or investments? Charles Wu wrote: well...in determing their "dumbness" (assuming you're willing to divulge this information) - what sort of investment / equity share / control do your investors have? I mean...assuming it's you and the other 4, does everyone have an equal share? (which is a different story all together) or does 1 single person have a majority share and the other 4 are minority partners -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor? Well, I guess I found four "dumb" people that got me started. All my start up funds came from 4 people. All four were subs from a previous WISP I owned, (before my partner took everything over and left me out in the cold) they all said, "I want you providing service, not the "other guy". So here I am. 7 months in and going strong. Oh, almost forgot, like my lawyer has me say..all that is just my opinion. ;-) I think "dumb" investors are great! Charles Wu wrote: sure a passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company is worthless, as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing, spending, cash distribution, etc) think about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just "invest it" into a company when the majority partner can do whatever he/she wants to and you have no recourse? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor? Charles, would you expand on that? On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as that is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money That said, there is a fool born every day -Charles -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
