RE: [WISPA] Looking for...

2005-08-22 Thread JNA
I have been looking to implement this as well with our MT boxes. Does anyone
have any samples? I know how to redirect an ip in the MT boxes but how do
you redirect to a specific web page? Unless you setup a web server on the ip
with a generic page just for that server you would get the main web site on
the web server ip. Now if you could go to ip/yourshutoff.html that would be
different.

John


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 Redirect that IP to a webserver on your network.  You can do that on
 just about any core router, Star-Os, MT and so on.
 
 Bo
 
 
 
 Ray  Jean wrote:
 
  Looking for a intro page, webpage ect.. That will let a customer know
  that their end user modem for wireless service has been cut off or
  deactivated due to lack of payments. When they click on their browser
  to view a website I would like the page to say; something like, Sorry
  due to non-payment your internet web surfing has been stopped..  Does
  anyone have a template or know how to make this work on the wireless
  modems?
  Thanks Jean
  www.surfmore.net
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Scott Reed




I think folks have pretty much taken care of the base issue.  
I beleive the recommendations for grounding are to use solid wire, not stranded.  If you can, use #2 or larger.  The goal with grounding, if it is for lightning protection, is to get the lowest impedance possible to ground.  Spread the ground rods out as much as you can.  Connect them each to the tower AND to each other.  Pick a point in that that is your ground point and make sure everything connects to that one point.

For more information on grounding, see: 
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13235689~mode=flat~days= Not completely about grounding, but lots of helpful info.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13978705 Includes some good diagrams.
http://www.startawisp.com/content/category/8/79/58/ A collection of grounding tips.

Scott Reed 


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Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 



 

I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx  
 

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 
cement and will add my own gravel.   
 

I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to 
bolt the tower legs to.  I will 
 

thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move.  I've 
got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. 
 

I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire.  I 
picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,  
 

washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs.  
Anyone have any suggestions 
 

for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon. 

 
 

brian 
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one.
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I
needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I
will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this
tower. Nothing huge.

Brian

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

  15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that big.




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To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


  
  
I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx
tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland cement

  
  and will add my own gravel.
  
  
I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete

  
  to bolt the tower legs to.  I will
  
  
thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move.  I've

  
  got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too.
  
  
I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire.  I

  
  picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
  
  
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe

  
  stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
  
  
for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Ya, I finally understood the diagram. I have to calculate my "w", "x",
and "d" to figure the base. http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  
  I think folks have pretty much taken care of the base
issue. 
I beleive the recommendations for grounding are to use solid wire, not
stranded. If you can, use #2 or larger. The goal with grounding, if
it is for lightning protection, is to get the lowest impedance possible
to ground. Spread the ground rods out as much as you can. Connect
them each to the tower AND to each other. Pick a point in that that is
your ground point and make sure everything connects to that one point.
  
  
For more information on grounding, see: 
  http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13235689~mode=flat~days=
Not completely about grounding, but lots of helpful info.
  
  http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13978705
Includes some good diagrams.
  
  http://www.startawisp.com/content/category/8/79/58/
A collection of grounding tips.
  
  
Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
  www.nwwnet.net
  
  
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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:21:37 -0400 
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
  
 I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn
bx 
 tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland
cement and will add my own gravel.  
 I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the
concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will 
 thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't
move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. 
 I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded
wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, 
 washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to
the pipe stubs. 
Anyone have any suggestions 
 for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. 
 
 brian 
 
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Re: [WISPA] REMINDER! Deadline Nearing.

2005-08-22 Thread Rob's list



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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' ; 'Principal WISPA Member 
  List' ; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com 
  ; 'Indiana WISP 
  Discussion' 
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:43 
  AM
  Subject: [WISPA] REMINDER! Deadline 
  Nearing.
  
  
  The 
  Deadline to submit the MANDANTORY FCC broadband reporting form 477 is 
  September 1st. 
  
  
  http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html
  
  The form can be downloaded 
  at:
  
  http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477
  
  The Report and Order dated 11/04 
  is found at:
  
  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-266A1.pdf
  
  
  Fines 
  can be assessed to anyone who provides broadband services and does not submit 
  this form. 
  
  
  Don’t procrastinate any longer, it 
  may take one of your employees several days to complete the form the first 
  time they do it. We completed it 
  in March so this time wasn’t as bad.
  
  Respectfully,
  
  Rick 
  Harnish
  President
  OnlyInternet 
  Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
  260-827-2482 
  Office
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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I know. On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the other
hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now that it crashed
over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his VW Bug on top of it. I
want to build it to take whatever people want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  
  Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more
equipment. Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the
future.
  
  
Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
  www.nwwnet.net
  
  
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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
  
 Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one.
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I
needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I
will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this
tower. Nothing huge.
  
 
 Brian
  
 
 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
  
15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 

big.









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509-593-4061

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net

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net

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WIRES!



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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower

  


  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 

bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 

cement



  

and will add my own 

gravel.

  



  I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 

concrete



  

to bolt the tower legs to.  I 

will

  



  thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  

I've



  

got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 

too.

  



  I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  

I



  

picked up a load of grade 8 

bolts,

  



  washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 

pipe



  

stubs.  Anyone have any 

suggestions

  



  for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 

afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Looking for...

2005-08-22 Thread J. Vogel
I am doing this without MT.. but I do have Linux running a transparent
bridge between my
customers and my core router. Use iptables to redirect (DNAT) the src IP
address web requests to
my webserver (I redirect requests to port 80 to my webservers address on
port 88) and
then have the virtual host on that web server which listens to that IP
on port 88 use
Mod_ReWrite to redirect all of the REQUEST_URIs to index.html.

Using this system, If I want to shut off a customer, all I do is enter
their assigned IP
once into IP tables, and ANY web reqests gets my index.html page. It
works for
http://yahoo.com/  and for http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788

Two things to keep in mind..
1.You want to be careful about how much (possibly private) information
is put on
your web page. It may be fine to use that page to inform your customer
that they are a deadbeat, except that you cannot know which member of
the customer's family, friends, or relatives may be the first one use
the customer's
computer while visiting on vacation and be the one who gets to read about
your customer's account status. Your lawyer may have better advice.

2. It is probably a good idea to make your web page non-cacheable, so
that when
your customer does pay their bill and you re-enable their access, they don't
keep seeing your page instead of
http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788

John

JNA wrote:

I have been looking to implement this as well with our MT boxes. Does anyone
have any samples? I know how to redirect an ip in the MT boxes but how do
you redirect to a specific web page? Unless you setup a web server on the ip
with a generic page just for that server you would get the main web site on
the web server ip. Now if you could go to ip/yourshutoff.html that would be
different.

John


  

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Redirect that IP to a webserver on your network.  You can do that on
just about any core router, Star-Os, MT and so on.

Bo



Ray  Jean wrote:



Looking for a intro page, webpage ect.. That will let a customer know
that their end user modem for wireless service has been cut off or
deactivated due to lack of payments. When they click on their browser
to view a website I would like the page to say; something like, Sorry
due to non-payment your internet web surfing has been stopped..  Does
anyone have a template or know how to make this work on the wireless
modems?
Thanks Jean
www.surfmore.net
  

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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Tom DeReggi



I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the charges 
and fees for the truck. 

Yeah, but bad back for the month, costs more. 
:-(

Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, Inc

IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brian 
  Rohrbacher 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
  I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the 
  charges and fees for the truck. I guess I'll let you guys know in 2 
  months how it went. My brother does concrete for a living, so I hope to 
  cut it down to 1 month because I have a "pro" working for me. 
  :)JohnnyO wrote: 
  2ft wide x 4ft long x 4ft deep There you go !

You will need 2.4cubic yards of concrete - which means - approx 220 80lb
sacks of ready mix - Call in a cement truck for this... You'll be mixing
for 2 months by hand :)

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


Found it.  But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to
be.

http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the
dumb thing to say "dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer."  I still 
have no idea how big of a hole I need.


A. Huppenthal wrote:


  The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never*
really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got 
lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. 
Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for
base.  I'll keep looking.

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


  http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have 
nearly enough concrete for the base.

Lonnie

On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  
I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn

  

  

  
bx tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of 
portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about 
three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the 
tower legs to.  I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 
inches so they can't move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in 
the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 
bare stranded wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 
the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
That really depends on your financial situation.  Depending on how bad you 
need he money and how much risk there will be to the investor will determine 
the terms.  Borrowing less money is rarely a benefit to the investor to get 
you better terms, because the investment then becomes less lower scale with 
less of a return to justify all the beaurocracy involved in negotiating the 
deal.


What you will find is no one wants to buy a burn rate. No one wants to 
invest in a business where all the needed employess aren't getting paid by 
the existing revenues.  They need to know that if they give you money, and 
it sits in your bank account, it would still be there six months later if 
you didn't expand, so they'd be able to get their money back.  The second 
the money is used for going after potential, marketing, increasing staff, 
deployment of new sites without exisitng custoemrs, etc, there is 
significant risk and the deal changes to the investors favor.  Its hard 
because to make your company look good for taxes means making it look bad 
for an investor and vice versa.  Investors prefer to see a company which 
stands on its own with little ties financially to the owners.  More so, they 
want to see a clear plan of how, when, and what profit the investor should 
expect a paypack.  ON the far end of the spectrum, a VC, will look to find 
at minimum 500% ROI in 5 years.  And you usually need to be cash flow 
positive for that.  Sometimes taking on an investor really means taking on a 
business partner not a lendor, with a loss of control or freedom.  However, 
if your company is at a sound stage, and you have the track record in place 
to justify your proposed ROI, Investors are looking for places to put their 
money, when they are probably making less than nothing with it sitting in 
the bank or in the stock market.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc

IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and wondering 
how I

should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some serious
capitol?

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Rob's list



boy are we lucky out here in rural america. I 
can get1 yard tacked on to someone elses load for the regular per yard 
price. but its like that in a small town

rob

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom 
  DeReggi 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:52 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
  
  I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the 
  charges and fees for the truck. 
  
  Yeah, but bad back for the month, costs more. 
  :-(
  
  Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Brian 
Rohrbacher 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 
AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower
I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all 
the charges and fees for the truck. I guess I'll let you guys know in 
2 months how it went. My brother does concrete for a living, so I hope 
to cut it down to 1 month because I have a "pro" working for me. 
:)JohnnyO wrote: 
2ft wide x 4ft long x 4ft deep There you go !

You will need 2.4cubic yards of concrete - which means - approx 220 80lb
sacks of ready mix - Call in a cement truck for this... You'll be mixing
for 2 months by hand :)

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


Found it.  But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to
be.

http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
  As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the
dumb thing to say "dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer."  I still 
have no idea how big of a hole I need.


A. Huppenthal wrote:


The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never*
really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got 
lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. 
Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
  That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for
base.  I'll keep looking.

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have 
nearly enough concrete for the base.

Lonnie

On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  
  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn

  
  

  

  bx tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of 
portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about 
three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the 
tower legs to.  I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 
inches so they can't move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in 
the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 
bare stranded wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 
the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread G.Villarini
I know of some investors that could provide you some capital, but the
capitol would be difficult to move from DC ... heheh  :-) I couldn't resist

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Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and wondering how
I
should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some serious
capitol?

Thanks

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RE: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Message



CPE - 
PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian - I prob do more 
things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I add overkill into our tower 
bases

JohnnyO

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Brian RohrbacherSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 
  AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
  TowerI know. On one hand I want it good enough for 
  a CPE, but on the other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from 
  now that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his VW Bug on 
  top of it. I want to build it to take whatever people want to put on 
  it.Scott Reed wrote: 
  
Only 
a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment. Don't skimp, you 
never know what you will want/need in the future. Scott Reed 
Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, 
Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message 
--- From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: 
Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
 Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to 
one. So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had 
figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have 
the specs I will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE 
on this tower. Nothing huge.   Brian   
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: 
15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 

big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 

509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot 

net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot 

net

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WIRES!



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- Original Message - 



From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower

  

  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 

bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 

cement



  and will add my own 

gravel.

  


  I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 

concrete



  to bolt the tower legs to.  I 

will

  


  thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  

I've



  got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 

too.

  


  I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  

I



  picked up a load of grade 8 

bolts,

  


  washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 

pipe



  stubs.  Anyone have any 

suggestions

  


  for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 

afternoon.



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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Title: Message




I won't skip, but I don't want to waste. I want to do it exactly what
is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd do 49.
But I don't want to have to do 5 ft. I want to figure enough for the
job without wasting material and time. Believe me, I want efficiency,
not corner cutting.

JohnnyO wrote:

  
  
  
  CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed
- Don't skimp Brian - I prob do more things out of specs then most -
but that is b/c I add overkill into our tower bases
  
  JohnnyO
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian
Rohrbacher
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


I know. On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the other
hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now that it crashed
over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his VW Bug on top of it. I
want to build it to take whatever people want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more
equipment. Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the
future. 
  
Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
  www.nwwnet.net
  
  
  -- Original Message --- 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
  
 Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one.
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I
needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I
will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this
tower. Nothing huge. 
 
 Brian 
 
 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
  
15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 

big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 

509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot 

net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot 

net

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WIRES!



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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower

  


  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 

bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 

cement



  

and will add my own 

gravel.

  



  I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 

concrete



  

to bolt the tower legs to.  I 

will

  



  thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  

I've



  

got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 

too.

  



  I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  

I



  

picked up a load of grade 8 

bolts,

  



  washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 

pipe



  

stubs.  Anyone have any 

suggestions

  



  for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 

afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread A. Huppenthal
Any comments on freestanding towers? Apparently the FS/BLM want all new 
towers to be free standing in many areas.


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I won't skip, but I don't want to waste.  I want to do it exactly what 
is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd do 
49.  But I don't want to have to do 5 ft.  I want to figure enough for 
the job without wasting material and time.  Believe me, I want 
efficiency, not corner cutting.


JohnnyO wrote:

CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian - 
I prob do more things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I add 
overkill into our tower bases
 
JohnnyO


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher
*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

I know.  On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the
other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now
that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his
VW Bug on top of it.  I want to build it to take whatever people
want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:


Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment.
Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the future.

Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

*-- Original Message ---*
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 Portland cement has no gravel.  I'll mix it 4 parts to one. 
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags.  I had

figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug.  But now that I
have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be.  I will
only put a CPE on this tower.  Nothing huge.

 Brian

 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 


big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 


509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot 


net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot 


net

Fast Internet, NO 


WIRES!



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- Original Message - 




From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower


 
   

I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 


bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 


cement

   

 

and will add my own 


gravel.

 

   

I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 


concrete

   

 

to bolt the tower legs to.  I 


will

 

   

thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  


I've

   

 

got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 


too.

 

   

I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  


I

   

 

picked up a load of grade 8 


bolts,

 

   

washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 


pipe

   

 

stubs.  Anyone have any 


suggestions

 

   

for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 


afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Blair Davis

FS/BLM??


A. Huppenthal wrote:

Any comments on freestanding towers? Apparently the FS/BLM want all 
new towers to be free standing in many areas.


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I won't skip, but I don't want to waste.  I want to do it exactly 
what is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd 
do 49.  But I don't want to have to do 5 ft.  I want to figure enough 
for the job without wasting material and time.  Believe me, I want 
efficiency, not corner cutting.


JohnnyO wrote:

CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian 
- I prob do more things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I 
add overkill into our tower bases
 
JohnnyO


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher
*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

I know.  On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the
other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now
that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his
VW Bug on top of it.  I want to build it to take whatever people
want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:


Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment.
Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the future.

Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

*-- Original Message ---*
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 Portland cement has no gravel.  I'll mix it 4 parts to one. 
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags.  I had

figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug.  But now that I
have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be.  I will
only put a CPE on this tower.  Nothing huge.

 Brian

 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that
big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC
509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot
net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot
net

Fast Internet, NO
WIRES!

 



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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 
  


I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a
rohn
bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland
cement

  



and will add my own
gravel.

 

  


I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in
the
concrete

  



to bolt the tower legs to.  I
will

 

  


thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't
move. 
I've


  



got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole
too.

 

  


I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded
wire. 
I


  



picked up a load of grade 8
bolts,

 

  


washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to
the
pipe

  



stubs.  Anyone have any
suggestions

 

  


for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow
afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread A. Huppenthal
around here, that's US Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management - 
they have jurisdiction over much of the mountain land here.




Blair Davis wrote:


FS/BLM??


A. Huppenthal wrote:

Any comments on freestanding towers? Apparently the FS/BLM want all 
new towers to be free standing in many areas.


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I won't skip, but I don't want to waste.  I want to do it exactly 
what is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd 
do 49.  But I don't want to have to do 5 ft.  I want to figure 
enough for the job without wasting material and time.  Believe me, I 
want efficiency, not corner cutting.


JohnnyO wrote:

CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian 
- I prob do more things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I 
add overkill into our tower bases
 
JohnnyO


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian 
Rohrbacher

*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

I know.  On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the
other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now
that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his
VW Bug on top of it.  I want to build it to take whatever people
want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:


Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment.
Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the 
future.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

*-- Original Message ---*
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 Portland cement has no gravel.  I'll mix it 4 parts to one. 
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags.  I had

figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug.  But now that I
have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be.  I will
only put a CPE on this tower.  Nothing huge.

 Brian

 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that
big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC
509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot
net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot
net

Fast Internet, NO
WIRES!

 



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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 
 


I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a
rohn
bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland
cement

  



and will add my own
gravel.

 

 


I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in
the
concrete

  



to bolt the tower legs to.  I
will

 

 


thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't
move. I've

  



got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole
too.

 

 


I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded
wire. I

  



picked up a load of grade 8
bolts,

 

 


washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to
the
pipe

  



stubs.  Anyone have any
suggestions

 

 


for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow
afternoon.



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[WISPA] Proxim Tsunami 60 link FS

2005-08-22 Thread G.Villarini








Used Proxim Tsunami 60 Link FS off list if interested



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Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Frank Muto
First ask yourself, how much control and equity am I willing to give up?



Frank Muto
President/Ceo
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- Original Message - 
From: Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and wondering
how I
 should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some serious
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 Thanks

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RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features

2005-08-22 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message



did I 
miss something, or is SPAM/UCE (though blatent) now allowed on the 
listserv?

-Charles
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Eric DaVersaSent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:08 PMTo: 
'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your 
WISP + New Features

  
  
  
  Blatant 
  Self Promotion Warning Ahead!!!
  
  For those interested 
  in their own Wireless PreQual 
  Tool fully integrated into your website with your coverage areas, 
  we have just such a tool. It 
  comes with a price; however, for Service Providers with wide coverage areas, a 
  sales organization, reseller channel, and an interest in reducing truck rolls, 
  this tool can be invaluable.
  
  http://demo.netlogix.com  click on Enhanced 
  Service Prequalification. 
  
  Please feel free to 
  contact me off-list if interested.
  
  Respectfully,
  
  Eric 
  DaVersa
  Vice-President, 
  Business Development
  NetLogix
  OFFICE: 
  858.764.1998
  CELL: 
  858.245.6702
  FAX: 
  858.764.1982
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet 
  AdvisorSent: Thursday, 
  August 18, 2005 12:03 PMTo: 
  wispa; John ResigSubject: 
  [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features
  
  
  Team,
  
  
  
  UPDATE:
  
  Single Point for Wisp is NOT on the plate - we've 
  scrapped the idea .. thx tom.
  
  
  
  
  
  NEW FEATURES:
  
  The map is pretty solid.. we CURRENTLY are adding a 
  cool, 
  
  1) SCROLL WHEEL ZOOM feature... so a click will just 
  be a click ...
  
  2) Loggin For self 
  editing...
  
  3) State Filter
  
  
  
  
  
  ADDING YOUR WISP:
  
  BUT.. since the ADD URL feature is still 
  Down...
  
  if you want to get yourself on the map 
  now...
  
  http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html
  
  is the admin 
  panel...
  
  i just tested it... it works 
  well.
  
  
  
  HOW TO ADD YOUR 
  WISP:
  
  1. Make sure that you use the very LAST FORM.2. Check, USE CURRENT GPS ON
  
  3. under category, type, 
  "wisp"
  
  4.align your AP center to the cross hairs - you 
  gotta zoom
  
  5. Enter as much info as you can... the Address fields 
  are now functional
  
  AND adding addresses will help for the state level 
  filter
  
  
  
  Hit enter. thx.. and please let NON Wispa.org wisps know too... so that is map becomes 
  popular and we all get more traffic
  
  
  
  _
  
  IF there are some HUGE urgent correction issues.. 
  lemme know what they are.. i will TRY to fit them in.. .. BUT since we will be 
  going V1.0 soon.. your LOGIN/ADMIN feature may be ready for you to self 
  correct.. thanks! 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisorhttp://evdo-coverage.comhttp://wirelessinternetcoverage.comhttp://hsdpa-coverage.com2611 S. 
  Pacific Coast Highway 101Suite 102Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007206 
  984 0880 
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RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Charles Wu
FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be
willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as that
is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money

That said, there is a fool born every day

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:50 PM
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First ask yourself, how much control and equity am I willing to give up?



Frank Muto
President/Ceo
FSM Marketing Group, Inc






- Original Message - 
From: Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and 
 wondering
how I
 should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some 
 serious capitol?

 Thanks

 Dan

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RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features

2005-08-22 Thread Eric Rogers
:)  Since it did go through, how about Back Charging vendors for WISPA 
memberships?
 
Eric Rogers



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Charles Wu
Sent: Mon 8/22/2005 3:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features


did I miss something, or is SPAM/UCE (though blatent) now allowed on the 
listserv?
 
-Charles
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric DaVersa
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features


Blatant Self Promotion Warning Ahead!!!
 
For those interested in their own Wireless PreQual Tool fully 
integrated into your website with your coverage areas, we have just such a 
tool.  It comes with a price; however, for Service Providers with wide coverage 
areas, a sales organization, reseller channel, and an interest in reducing 
truck rolls, this tool can be invaluable.
 
http://demo.netlogix.com http://demo.netlogix.com/  - click on 
Enhanced Service Prequalification http://69.225.184.217:8081/netlogix/ . 
 
Please feel free to contact me off-list if interested.
 
Respectfully,
 
Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
To: wispa; John Resig
Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLE MAP - Adding Your WISP + New Features
 
Team,
 
UPDATE:
Single Point for Wisp is NOT on the plate - we've scrapped the idea .. 
thx tom.
 
 
NEW FEATURES:
The map is pretty solid.. we CURRENTLY are adding a cool, 
1) SCROLL WHEEL ZOOM feature... so a click will just be a click ...
2) Loggin For self editing...
3) State Filter
 
 
ADDING YOUR WISP:
BUT.. since the ADD URL feature is still Down...
if you want to get yourself on the map now...
http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html
is the admin panel...
i just tested it... it works well.
 
HOW TO ADD YOUR WISP:
1. Make sure that you use the very LAST FORM.
2. Check, USE CURRENT GPS ON
3. under category, type, wisp
4. align your AP center to the cross hairs - you gotta zoom
5. Enter as much info as you can... the Address fields are now 
functional
AND adding addresses will help for the state level filter
 
Hit enter. thx.. and please let NON Wispa.org wisps know too... so that 
is map becomes popular and we all get more traffic
 
_
IF there are some HUGE urgent correction issues.. lemme know what they 
are.. i will TRY to fit them in.. .. BUT since we will be going V1.0 soon.. 
your LOGIN/ADMIN feature may be ready for you to self correct.. thanks! 
 
 
 
-- 
Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor
http://evdo-coverage.com
http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com
http://hsdpa-coverage.com

2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101
Suite 102
Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007
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Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Dylan Oliver
Charles,

would you expand on that?On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will bewilling to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as thatis basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money
That said, there is a fool born every day-Charles
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RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Webster
I'll reply to that.
People with money do not have to spend it. Remember that most of all. They
can easily invest it in a conservative location and get a safe secure rate
of return. Remember they don't need to spend it so they don't need a big
rate of return on money that already don't need to spend. Still with me? Now
if they were to invest in something as risky as this, they would need one
hell of a possible gain on their investment. Remember they don't need to
spend it. For them to even talk to you about giving you some of their money
they must think it is a good idea. If they are willing to fork over their
money, they must feel they are going to be able to get a huge return to
justify their risk. So let's review. One they will get a huge return on
their investment, Two if they aren't charging you a huge interest rate,
where do you think they will get the return. Which brings us to Three, they
will take control of your company, learn all they can from you then fire you
and keep it all to themselves. Harsh but true, I'm sure there are many on
the list who know of these stories.
Now leasing doesn't look all that bad does it? At least you know the
costs up front and the rules are quite simple. Just pay your payments then
eventually you will get to keep the company and reap the benefits of your
hard work, not just hand it over to the folks who wrote the checks. If you
don't think I'm serious, try to write contracts so this can't happen and see
how fast they write the checks :-)

Like Charles said, unless it's family or friends.but even then it
can be tricky, that's a good way to lose friends.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
-Original Message-
From: Dylan Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?


Charles,

would you expand on that?


On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be
willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as that
is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money

That said, there is a fool born every day

-Charles


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RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message



sure

a 
passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company is worthless, 
as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 100% of the decisions 
(in terms of purchasing, spending, cash distribution, etc)

think 
about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just "invest it" into a 
company when the majority partner can do whatever he/she wants to and you have 
no recourse?

-Charles

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City, UThttp://www.wispnog.comAugust 15-17, 
2005 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Dylan OliverSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PMTo: 
  WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an 
  investor?Charles,would you expand on 
that?
  On 8/22/05, Charles 
  Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  FWIW...no 
invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will bewilling 
to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as thatis 
basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their moneyThat said, 
there is a fool born every day-Charles-- 
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[WISPA] Waverider CCU

2005-08-22 Thread Ray Jean Hill


Anyone have a used or unused CCU that they would like to get rid of? We are 
in need of a back up unit. Just to have on hand in case of anything 
happening.. Thanks Jean

www.surfmore.net
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Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Title: Message




Well, I guess I found four "dumb" people that got me started. All my
start up funds came from 4 people. All four were subs from a previous
WISP I owned, (before my partner took everything over and left me out
in the cold) they all said, "I want you providing service, not the
"other guy". So here I am. 7 months in and going strong. Oh, almost
forgot, like my lawyer has me say..all that is just my opinion.  ;-) I think
"dumb" investors are great!
 
Charles Wu wrote:

  
  
  
  sure
  
  a passive minority equity position stake in a
privately held company is worthless, as legally, the person with the
majority stake can make 100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing,
spending, cash distribution, etc)
  
  think about it, if it was your money, would you
be willing to just "invest it" into a company when the majority partner
can do whatever he/she wants to and you have no recourse?
  
  -Charles
  

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?


Charles,

would you expand on that?

On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW...no
invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be
willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as
that
is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money
  
That said, there is a fool born every day
  
-Charles



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RE: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-22 Thread Charles Wu
Here's some news

Microserv Computer Technologies and Trango Broadband Wireless Set New
Point-to-Point Wireless Link Record at 137.2 Miles at the WiNOG Backhaul
Bash

http://www.trangobroadband.com/about/pr_new_record.htm

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Any winog news ?

Gino

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RE: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-22 Thread JohnnyO
Charles - this was during WiNOG ? I thought this was done about a month
or so ago ? ? ? The archives on another list have this same information.
Bullits list if I recall.

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:35 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] winog


Here's some news

Microserv Computer Technologies and Trango Broadband Wireless Set New
Point-to-Point Wireless Link Record at 137.2 Miles at the WiNOG Backhaul
Bash

http://www.trangobroadband.com/about/pr_new_record.htm

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Any winog news ?

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RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message



well...in determing their "dumbness" (assuming you're willing to divulge 
this information) - what sort of investment / equity share / control do your 
investors have?

I 
mean...assuming it's you and the other 4, does everyone have an equal share? 
(which is a different story all together) or does 1 single person have a 
majority share and the other 4 are minority partners

-Charles


---WISPNOG Park 
City, UThttp://www.wispnog.comAugust 15-17, 
2005 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Brian RohrbacherSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:05 
  PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on 
  an investor?Well, I guess I found four "dumb" people that 
  got me started. All my start up funds came from 4 people. All four 
  were subs from a previous WISP I owned, (before my partner took 
  everything over and left me out in the cold) they all said, "I want you 
  providing service, not the "other guy". So here I am. 7 months in 
  and going strong. Oh, almost forgot, like my lawyer has me say..all 
  that is just my opinion. ;-) 
  I think "dumb" investors are great! Charles Wu 
  wrote: 
  

sure

a 
passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company is 
worthless, as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 100% of 
the decisions (in terms of purchasing, spending, cash distribution, 
etc)

think about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just 
"invest it" into a company when the majority partner can do whatever he/she 
wants to and you have no recourse?

-Charles

---WISPNOG Park 
City, UThttp://www.wispnog.comAugust 15-17, 
2005 

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of Dylan OliverSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 
  4:10 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] 
  Taking on an investor?Charles,would you 
  expand on that?
  On 8/22/05, Charles 
  Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  FWIW...no 
invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will 
bewilling to invest capital into the company for a minority 
position, as thatis basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of 
their moneyThat said, there is a fool born every 
day-Charles-- Dylan 
  OliverPrimaverity, LLC 
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Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread A. Huppenthal
Not true. Minority stakeholders are actually protected from this 
behavior in many states. I think the level is 15% in Colorado. If you 
aren't careful raising money you could end up with your Popsicle in a 
wringer. Check investment rules. If you take money which exceeds the a 
certain percentage of an individual's net worth, you could be in 
trouble. If you don't disclose risks you could be in deep weeds.


You can find Angel investors - just google around for incubators or 
angel investors. They can and do know how to invest and how to help your 
company grow. Be prepared to sell off more of your company though as 
time moves forward.



Charles Wu wrote:


sure
 
a passive minority equity position stake in a privately held company 
is worthless, as legally, the person with the majority stake can make 
100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing, spending, cash 
distribution, etc)
 
think about it, if it was your money, would you be willing to just 
invest it into a company when the majority partner can do whatever 
he/she wants to and you have no recourse?
 
-Charles
 


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-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Oliver
*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

Charles,

would you expand on that?

On 8/22/05, *Charles Wu* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

FWIW...no invester (other than friends and family) worth their
salt will be
willing to invest capital into the company for a minority
position, as that
is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money

That said, there is a fool born every day

-Charles


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Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Title: Message




Well, I guess we would call them loans as I have all control. Correct
me if I am wrong. They gave me money at a fixed rate. Loans or
investments?

Charles Wu wrote:

  
  
  
  well...in determing their "dumbness" (assuming
you're willing to divulge this information) - what sort of investment /
equity share / control do your investors have?
  
  I mean...assuming it's you and the other 4, does
everyone have an equal share? (which is a different story all together)
or does 1 single person have a majority share and the other 4 are
minority partners
  
  -Charles
  
  

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian
Rohrbacher
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?


Well, I guess I found four "dumb" people that got me started. All my
start up funds came from 4 people. All four were subs from a previous
WISP I owned, (before my partner took everything over and left me out
in the cold) they all said, "I want you providing service, not the
"other guy". So here I am. 7 months in and going strong. Oh, almost
forgot, like my lawyer has me say..all that is just my opinion. ;-) I think
"dumb" investors are great!
 
Charles Wu wrote:

  
  sure
  
  a passive minority equity position stake in a
privately held company is worthless, as legally, the person with the
majority stake can make 100% of the decisions (in terms of purchasing,
spending, cash distribution, etc)
  
  think about it, if it was your money, would you
be willing to just "invest it" into a company when the majority partner
can do whatever he/she wants to and you have no recourse?
  
  -Charles
  

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  http://www.wispnog.com
August 15-17, 2005 
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?


Charles,

would you expand on that?

On 8/22/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW...no
invester (other than friends and family) worth their salt will be
willing to invest capital into the company for a minority position, as
that
is basically a sure way to guarantee the loss of their money
  
That said, there is a fool born every day
  
-Charles



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Primaverity, LLC 
  
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