Re: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrumforemergency responders
K, I can't agree with you more. The problem is we don't have real world examples with 700 Mhz spectrum or with Public Safety. The reason is we have not been awarded the tsk to provide it, and therefore can only offer our concepts in theory. Thats the big disadvantage we'd have compared to say a Motorola type company. What our industry has done is document very clearly, how much progress an industry can make, without protections, limited rules, and little cash and resources. My goal is that because their is So little spectrum available, I thinks its extremely wasteful for that PRIME spectrum to be allocated to a purpose that likely would sit unused the majority of the time, when not in crisis. The Spectrum is better used as a dual purpose, the majority of the time on a secondary basis to the public sector for broadband, and during crisis on a primary basis to public safety. The only way for this type of goal to work is if the Governament has faith in, and partners with companies that offer services to the public sector, such as the MANY WISPS nationwwide. Collectively us WISPs, are an army of talent for the country, if the FCC and congress will open their eyes to allow it. To let common sense, win over the lobby dollars. I don't know the best way to document our case, or to substantiate it with credability that can be effective to chance policy. That, I better defer to you. Part of the problem is that somebody has to fund the research. Thats usually the place the WISP industry gets shut down in making progress. It reinforces the view that the big money guys, can afford to buy/influence the vote, by affording more research and analisys to creating more believeable evidence, whether accurate or not. We don't need large amounts of cash to build our networks. Its a cash flow model thats paid for by our subscribers. I would argue that the governement would save billions, by leveraging the infrastructure that independant WISPs already have deployed or woulddeploy if spectrum was allocated to them. Maybe its all talk, as I do not have documentation to back up my rant. A perfect example of waste is a study/project that the governemt gave MIT in the DC area. They built a huge multi-city network for this project, taking up valuable unlicensed resources. What Ironic was that the network was built in parallel to mine, when I already had one sitting in place that could serve 90% of their targeted locations with sufficient bandwdith. I could have saved them/the government Hundreds of Thousands of dollars, if they would have just leveraged my assets (90% which were unused) instead of duplicating them. But it wasn't about what was needed or what was best use of spectrum in a community, it was an issue of control, and how much money some could make and who could get paid for making sales. In summary, it was about money, not serving the public's best interests. So being associated with a university doesn't necessarilly get around the bias of financial influence. I see something similar that will happen with the 700Mhz bands. Martin (FCC) will cry for needing the spectrum, and then its use will really end up about who can milk the most money out of the governement in contracts for providing the gear or deploying it, for an organization that will rarely/barely use its capacity. Efficient use of the spectrum never becomes a factor. The only way to solve this problem, is to unleash the spectrum to the masses, and turn it into a precious commodity for all to use, and protect, and equally have the right to fight to use as a free resource to the public, and providers to the public. Just my 2 cents. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: k claffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrumforemergency responders [not reading this list regularly, but tom hit a nerve]: tom et al caida (www.caida.org) is an internet data analysis/research organization whose mission includes informing public policy, aimed toward improving policy 'toward congruence' with our best empirical (scientifically grounded) understanding of the relevant technological issues/constraints/parameters. i am no expert on spectrum policy, but afaict the difference between having huge effect and having no effect is sufficiently formalized reporting/analysis of Real World Operational Experiences (this means you), written in way that will convey to scientists (this means me), as well as to the public, what happens when technology gets deployed in reality. one underutilized option is collaborating with university researchers to quantitatively document (1) potential deliverables under various regulatory scenaraios (2) successes and failures under existing regulatory scenarios. caida Really
Re: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum foremergency responders
[too long and off-topic academic rant, delete now unless you have strong stomach] On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 12:45:32AM -0500, John Scrivner wrote: I see you have made your introduction K. :-) I think you guys will find this lady's enthusiasm toward policy change to be no less than revolutionary. She has an eye toward a complete rework of the FCC (as in destroy it and rebuild governance of spectrum and policy from the ground up) to allow for more progressive spectrum and related policy. I have explained that we are all still attempting a more standard approach to working within the framework of our existing system a little longer before we are ready to start burning the FCC at the stake. While there would be a certain pleasure in seeing the system rebuilt from scratch it would be of little use if it ended up being rebuilt by people who do not care about our needs as an industry. At least some policy bodes well for us now or we would not even be talking here today. john, you overestimate my enthusiasm. s revolution isn't the goal, congruence (between policy and our-best-understanding-of-the-world, aka truth) is the goal. i don't know enough about the fcc to foment revolution, and frankly, i'm not even sure what revolution means this decade. i admit i have heard gentlemen talk about low power squatting on channel 2 to broadcast local city/state public governance proceedings, w tagline: this is your democracy, on unconstitutionally licensed spectrum. any questions? http://openspectrum.city.state.us. but i don't know anyone who actually wants (or plans) to break federal law. if i were going about that i would try to get city and state law behind me first (california has some history of state legislation that is 'empirically ahead' of federal legislation, e.g., props 71, 215, tax breaks for alternative energy investments. actually, california's opening up some spectrum for public sector research and experimentation would be tame compared to what california has effectively said to the feds on several other issues...) [for a good 'broadcasting is unconstitutional' rant, see http://www.frankston.com/public/writing.asp?name=20050923-0460 ] alas...i have learned this month that many underground groups are already using 'licensed' spectrum for their own unlicensed private purposes so i reckon the only way to be innovative there would be to do something in support of the public sector. conveniently, there is great need there. inconveniently (and correlated), there is less monetary payoff there... but whatever its instantiation, revolution is a last resort, and it's not clear to me that we have exhausted other options. i know several quite bright, progressive, enthusiastic people at the fcc (seriously!), among other agencies (i admit i know noone at fema). what they lack is irrefutable empirical (or analytical, or realistically simulated) evidence that proposed changes have extraordinary quantified (in $$$, or hours, or lives, or, bandwidth, or coverage, but probably mostly $$$) advantages over the status quo. but john's got the spirit of my passion quite right -- i am witnessing a deeply widening gap betweeen policy and our best understanding of the world, and i am [wearing myself out] trying to put scientific resources toward narrowing this gap. i'm not sure what specific data to ask for at the moment because have little insight into what data i could get. my exceedingly pie-in-the-sky and yet apparently unusually pointed questions are: what's the most effective, economic way to provide for the nation: * a layer of 'cellphone' bandwidth across the country? (that might mean a long-haul backbone to tie together regional wifis -- let's figure out what that costs too. e.g., if you all had an oc192 optical fiber backbone connecting WISPs all across the country to eachother, how many WISPs could pay the access fees to connect to it? or, what would those access fees have to be for you to be able to afford what-you'd-need? * a layer of communication for emergency services across the country? (as you want to define it) * N Mbps (e.g., 100Mbps) worth of digital communications bandwidth to each building? each person? [all backed up by compelling economic and engineering analyses] i know these are hand-wavy, but they are also the numbers that ultimately should inform enlightened public policy for digital communications. so, given that we might actually need to build and measure some wireless testbeds to validate/refine cost and throughput models, i think WISPA data could go a long way here in helping the academic sector Imagine the [most cost-effective] Possibilities. another key question for researchers trying to build new technologies for you to deploy: what measurement support do we need to build into network architecture to assess and track the costs of resulting
Re: [WISPA] Lightning protecting WRAPs
What is FiberCor, and where do you get it? Would you post a pic of one of these assemblies? Thanks,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPCon
As a WISP paid member does anyone know where I can get discount passes to WispCon in Dallas October 9-11? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPCon
As a paid member of p15 or wispa? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: [WISPA] WISPCon As a WISP paid member does anyone know where I can get discount passes to WispCon in Dallas October 9-11? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WISPCon
WISPA was started initially in response to Part-15/WISPCON's lack of representation of true WISP issues (although you can't fault Mike for it, it needs to be known that Part-15.org is a FOR-PROFIT organization existing to put money in Mike's pocket). Until recently (due to circumstances created by the Katrina Rita disasters), there has been ill-will b/n Part-15 WISPA due to the fact that Mike has lost revenue from WISPA members, and unless things have significantly changed, it is doubtful that a discount pass relationship b/n Part-15 WISPA exists If you're interested in shows (or just getting together w/ other WISPs) in the Dallas area, Smartbridges is currently in the process of putting together a North American Road Show http://www.smartbridges.com/about/articles.asp?id=398 Best of all, it's free -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPCon As a WISP paid member does anyone know where I can get discount passes to WispCon in Dallas October 9-11? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC meeting
I'm interested. -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm setting up some FCC meetings for late Oct. or early Nov. I need 5 people to go. I'm looking mainly for folks that haven't been there before. We'll get together after the team is picked and talk about what we'd like to talk about. A few things I think should be on that list: Who the customers are. Why they use wisps vs. other services. Examples of wisps servicing areas that have no other services. Examples of emergency response (I'd like to get Mac there for this one). What we need in order to be able to do a better job (clean spectrum, more power in some bands, outdoor only bands etc.). You'll need to dress up (I know at least a few of you have still got your Sunday best :-) and pay your own way. If anyone is interested in this please let me know so I can get a group together and finalize the plans. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Installer looking for work in Florida
I'm in Tampa and always looking for good guys. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Installer looking for work in Florida My Installation Manager had to move to Florida for personal reasons and is looking for work, has experience installing canopy, trango, karlnet (physical install and aiming), can make cat5 cables, and can tower climb, has years of experience running cat5/cable, also managed a crew with 2 junior guys. If you need somebody, email me and Ill give you his contact # Thanks Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 09/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Installer looking for work in Florida
Which part of Florida? On 9/28/05, Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Installation Manager had to move to Florida for personal reasons and islooking for work, has experience installing canopy, trango, karlnet (physical install and aiming), can make cat5 cables, and can tower climb, has years ofexperience running cat5/cable, also managed a crew with 2 junior guys.If you need somebody, email me and Ill give you his contact # ThanksDan[EMAIL PROTECTED]--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6 /111 - Release Date: 09/23/2005--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC meeting
Always interested DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:18 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISPA] FCC meeting Hi All, I'm setting up some FCC meetings for late Oct. or early Nov. I need 5 people to go. I'm looking mainly for folks that haven't been there before. We'll get together after the team is picked and talk about what we'd like to talk about. A few things I think should be on that list: Who the customers are. Why they use wisps vs. other services. Examples of wisps servicing areas that have no other services. Examples of emergency response (I'd like to get Mac there for this one). What we need in order to be able to do a better job (clean spectrum, more power in some bands, outdoor only bands etc.). You'll need to dress up (I know at least a few of you have still got your Sunday best :-) and pay your own way. If anyone is interested in this please let me know so I can get a group together and finalize the plans. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPCon
Your best bet for a commercial trade show is to approach vendors presenting there. Check the site and contact any of the vendors - they have a vested interest in selling you stuff and therefore have an interest in getting you in the door. The organizers are interested in making money off you and the vendors, so they are your worst bet (well except for any WISPA yet to be announced meetings :-) Jory Privett wrote: As a WISP paid member does anyone know where I can get discount passes to WispCon in Dallas October 9-11? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
Actually I did not speak out of turn. I stand by my original post in all details unless you have alternate information. I am not trying to start an argument here but I think I spoke 100% the truth in my last post. I welcome proof to the contrary but I did not use speculation in my post. I stand firm in my belief that WISPA is the only recognized non-profit organization of any 501c(x) designation in the WISP industry. I agree with your other observations about the importance of being run by WISPs but I do not believe we should be taking away any importance in the governance aspect of WISPA being established as a 501c6. Being classified a 501c6 has more to do with fair governance of the organization than it does a tax break. Read the CFRs and check out the background of other organizations before you counter a post from me as being false please. I was speaking what I believe to be 100% the truth and I did it with as much objectivity and neutral bias as I possibly could. Scriv Tom DeReggi wrote: I don't know that the for-profit claims are accurate. WISPCON is a For-Profit. Last I understood, Part-15 was also a Non-Profit. The difference is that Part-15 is an organization where control is maintained by an individual, the owner, Michael Anderson (and spouse?). Appropriate, since he is the founder, primary contributor, and investor. That does not make it a for-Profit organization. WISPA on the other hand is supposed to be at least in spirit, an organization for WISPs controlled by WISPs. How realistic that is, is not yet proven, but the ideal is there. So lets not forget this is not about Profit or Not, its about control and/or guaranteeing direction and representation. Wether or not, Part-15 funnels business to WISPCON and vice versa, or that one intity owns both, is irrelevent. Just as it is irrlevent that WISPA may funnel business or offer support to WISPNOG or ISPCON, or vice versa. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon There is not a show discount relationship between WISPA and WISPCON. WISPCON is not directly tied to WISPA in any way. I believe WISPCON has a discount program through Part-15 just as WISPA has with ISPCON and WiNOG at times in the past. There have been no discussions of offering these discounts for WISPCON but would consider it if an opportunity were made available to us. I believe you will continue to see options for the discounts for WISPA members through WiNOG and ISPCON shows in the future as long as the ownership of these organizations see this as a valuable opportunity to help WISPA and themselves. It should be noted that of all organizations mentioned above that WISPA is the only one that is federally recognized under CFR # 501c6 as a non-profit trade association.. Every other entity listed above is working to make a profit in their efforts and as such would likely be looking to advance individual interests over those of the industry as a whole. WISPA is designed to promote the efforts of WISP operators over and above all other interests. As a matter of law we cannot act to allow one WISP to be given more consideration from the efforts of this organization than another. This means it is truly level ground for our efforts going forward. This does not mean I think that a for-profit company cannot help the efforts of the industry. This is far from true. I am simply explaining the different philosophies and how one could benefit more than another in certain situations. We are firm believers that WISPA is the organization that most fairly represents the interests of WISPs regarding policy issues. Other interests will develop where our industry can share our collective efforts as we did in the Katrina/Rita effort. WISPA will always look for different organizations that can help us forward our efforts of better policy to help us in our industry. Sometimes the other entities will be for-profit and sometimes not. WISPA has decided at this time to not create another show to the mix of what many would say is an over-crowded industry segment. We do allow the promotion and advertisement of shows when a show owner works with us to provide an opportunity. This could include a scenario where WISPA can make money and further our efforts through exposure at show events by speaking and or exhibiting.. This may be more information than you were looking for but I wanted to make sure everyone understood the dynamics and position of WISPA in relation to shows around the industry. I hope that helped. Scriv Jory Privett wrote: WISPA - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: or dislike one or the other fine. There are more important things to talk about on this list though. Does this mean I should hold my toungue (fingers, as it were) regarding Part 15? :-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
Last I understood, Part-15 was also a Non-Profit. That's the sham Although .org domain names are traditionally reserved for non-profit institutions, there is nothing within ICANN policy preventing a for-profit organization from registering a .org domain A quick who-is of Part-15.org WISPCON.info outputs the following: Registrant: Prime Directive Corp. P.O. Box 157 North Aurora, IL 60542 US Domain Name: PART-15.ORG Administrative Contact : Prime Directive Corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO BOX 157 NORTH AURORA, IL 60542-0157 US Phone: 630-906-0323 Fax: 630-906-0323 Registrant: Prime Directive Corp. P.O. Box 157 North Aurora, IL 60542 US Domain Name: WISPCON.INFO Administrative Contact : Prime Directive Corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO BOX 157 NORTH AURORA, IL 60542-0157 US Phone: 630-906-0323 Fax: 630-906-0323 A lookup in the State of Illinois Corporation/LLC Database shows Prime Directive, Inc as a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION with Michael Anderson (Bullit) as the President http://cdsprod.ilsos.net/CorpSearchWeb/CorporationSearchServlet?fileNumber=5 9278304sysId=CDnameType=MST While there's nothing wrong with running a for-profit industry association / show (ISPCON, Shorecliff's Broadband Wireless World, Jupiter Media, etc), I have an ethical issue when the for-profit group tries to generate goodwill by marketing itself as a not-for-profit trade group when it's express purpose is to maximize shareholder (in this case Michael Anderson) profits. So, in comparing Part-15 vs. WISPA, it is worth noting that Part-15 is an opportunistic for-profit entity focused on capitalizing market share in the WISP industry (can you fault them? I mean, all of us are for-profits), and WISPA is a LEGITIMATE NOT-FOR-PROFIT focused on representing the WISP industry as a whole With that in mind, you should be able to make an intelligent informed decision on who/where to give your money to -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
snip It should be noted that of all organizations mentioned above that WISPA is the only one that is federally recognized under CFR # 501c6 as a non-profit trade association.. Every other entity listed above is working to make a profit in their efforts and as such would likely be looking to advance individual interests over those of the industry as a whole. WISPA is designed to promote the efforts of WISP operators over and above all other interests. As a matter of law we cannot act to allow one WISP to be given more consideration from the efforts of this organization than another. This means it is truly level ground for our efforts going forward. /snip As one of the abovementioned for-profit entities, it is worth noting that there is nothing wrong w/ trying to make an honest buck ducking That said, all the other industires (cellular, cable, telco) have their own represented NOT-FOR-PROFIT association that pushes their interests in DC, if you (as a WISP), don't bother to spend the time/money/energy supporting WISPA, then don't complain if legislation leaves you in the dust -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon There is not a show discount relationship between WISPA and WISPCON. WISPCON is not directly tied to WISPA in any way. I believe WISPCON has a discount program through Part-15 just as WISPA has with ISPCON and WiNOG at times in the past. There have been no discussions of offering these discounts for WISPCON but would consider it if an opportunity were made available to us. I believe you will continue to see options for the discounts for WISPA members through WiNOG and ISPCON shows in the future as long as the ownership of these organizations see this as a valuable opportunity to help WISPA and themselves. This does not mean I think that a for-profit company cannot help the efforts of the industry. This is far from true. I am simply explaining the different philosophies and how one could benefit more than another in certain situations. We are firm believers that WISPA is the organization that most fairly represents the interests of WISPs regarding policy issues. Other interests will develop where our industry can share our collective efforts as we did in the Katrina/Rita effort. WISPA will always look for different organizations that can help us forward our efforts of better policy to help us in our industry. Sometimes the other entities will be for-profit and sometimes not. WISPA has decided at this time to not create another show to the mix of what many would say is an over-crowded industry segment. We do allow the promotion and advertisement of shows when a show owner works with us to provide an opportunity. This could include a scenario where WISPA can make money and further our efforts through exposure at show events by speaking and or exhibiting.. This may be more information than you were looking for but I wanted to make sure everyone understood the dynamics and position of WISPA in relation to shows around the industry. I hope that helped. Scriv Jory Privett wrote: WISPA - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPCon As a paid member of p15 or wispa? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: [WISPA] WISPCon As a WISP paid member does anyone know where I can get discount passes to WispCon in Dallas October 9-11? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
John, do not believe we should be taking away any importance in the governance aspect of WISPA being established as a 501c6. I fully agree, it is excellent that WISPA had the dicipline to follow through with the process. It valididates the organization. Its just that that arguement couldn't be used the first full year WISPA was in existence, so I don't like to hold that formality over Michael's head, like Part-15 is just a get rich quick sceam. But you made your point, and I do not contest/challenge it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon Actually I did not speak out of turn. I stand by my original post in all details unless you have alternate information. I am not trying to start an argument here but I think I spoke 100% the truth in my last post. I welcome proof to the contrary but I did not use speculation in my post. I stand firm in my belief that WISPA is the only recognized non-profit organization of any 501c(x) designation in the WISP industry. I agree with your other observations about the importance of being run by WISPs but I do not believe we should be taking away any importance in the governance aspect of WISPA being established as a 501c6. Being classified a 501c6 has more to do with fair governance of the organization than it does a tax break. Read the CFRs and check out the background of other organizations before you counter a post from me as being false please. I was speaking what I believe to be 100% the truth and I did it with as much objectivity and neutral bias as I possibly could. Scriv Tom DeReggi wrote: I don't know that the for-profit claims are accurate. WISPCON is a For-Profit. Last I understood, Part-15 was also a Non-Profit. The difference is that Part-15 is an organization where control is maintained by an individual, the owner, Michael Anderson (and spouse?). Appropriate, since he is the founder, primary contributor, and investor. That does not make it a for-Profit organization. WISPA on the other hand is supposed to be at least in spirit, an organization for WISPs controlled by WISPs. How realistic that is, is not yet proven, but the ideal is there. So lets not forget this is not about Profit or Not, its about control and/or guaranteeing direction and representation. Wether or not, Part-15 funnels business to WISPCON and vice versa, or that one intity owns both, is irrelevent. Just as it is irrlevent that WISPA may funnel business or offer support to WISPNOG or ISPCON, or vice versa. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon There is not a show discount relationship between WISPA and WISPCON. WISPCON is not directly tied to WISPA in any way. I believe WISPCON has a discount program through Part-15 just as WISPA has with ISPCON and WiNOG at times in the past. There have been no discussions of offering these discounts for WISPCON but would consider it if an opportunity were made available to us. I believe you will continue to see options for the discounts for WISPA members through WiNOG and ISPCON shows in the future as long as the ownership of these organizations see this as a valuable opportunity to help WISPA and themselves. It should be noted that of all organizations mentioned above that WISPA is the only one that is federally recognized under CFR # 501c6 as a non-profit trade association.. Every other entity listed above is working to make a profit in their efforts and as such would likely be looking to advance individual interests over those of the industry as a whole. WISPA is designed to promote the efforts of WISP operators over and above all other interests. As a matter of law we cannot act to allow one WISP to be given more consideration from the efforts of this organization than another. This means it is truly level ground for our efforts going forward. This does not mean I think that a for-profit company cannot help the efforts of the industry. This is far from true. I am simply explaining the different philosophies and how one could benefit more than another in certain situations. We are firm believers that WISPA is the organization that most fairly represents the interests of WISPs regarding policy issues. Other interests will develop where our industry can share our collective efforts as we did in the Katrina/Rita effort. WISPA will always look for different organizations that can help us forward our efforts of better policy to help us in our industry. Sometimes the other entities will be
[WISPA] Cool it
Charles, Enough! I don't care what you think you can do to harm your competitors but you are not doing it on this list server any longer. If you want to slam another show competitor do it offlist or on your own list server. We are not doing that here, Charles. This thread is 100% closed to on-list discussion. If you have a problem with that then contact me off-list or find a new list to play on. Scriv Original Message Subject:RE: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:11:26 -0500 From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Last I understood, Part-15 was also a Non-Profit. That's the sham Although .org domain names are traditionally reserved for non-profit institutions, there is nothing within ICANN policy preventing a for-profit organization from registering a .org domain A quick who-is of Part-15.org WISPCON.info outputs the following: Registrant: Prime Directive Corp. P.O. Box 157 North Aurora, IL 60542 US Domain Name: PART-15.ORG Administrative Contact : Prime Directive Corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO BOX 157 NORTH AURORA, IL 60542-0157 US Phone: 630-906-0323 Fax: 630-906-0323 Registrant: Prime Directive Corp. P.O. Box 157 North Aurora, IL 60542 US Domain Name: WISPCON.INFO Administrative Contact : Prime Directive Corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO BOX 157 NORTH AURORA, IL 60542-0157 US Phone: 630-906-0323 Fax: 630-906-0323 A lookup in the State of Illinois Corporation/LLC Database shows Prime Directive, Inc as a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION with Michael Anderson (Bullit) as the President http://cdsprod.ilsos.net/CorpSearchWeb/CorporationSearchServlet?fileNumber=5 9278304sysId=CDnameType=MST While there's nothing wrong with running a for-profit industry association / show (ISPCON, Shorecliff's Broadband Wireless World, Jupiter Media, etc), I have an ethical issue when the for-profit group tries to generate goodwill by marketing itself as a not-for-profit trade group when it's express purpose is to maximize shareholder (in this case Michael Anderson) profits. So, in comparing Part-15 vs. WISPA, it is worth noting that Part-15 is an opportunistic for-profit entity focused on capitalizing market share in the WISP industry (can you fault them? I mean, all of us are for-profits), and WISPA is a LEGITIMATE NOT-FOR-PROFIT focused on representing the WISP industry as a whole With that in mind, you should be able to make an intelligent informed decision on who/where to give your money to -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik Quick questions
I'm using Mikrotik live for the first time tommorrow and in a crunch for an 8am install. 1 We flashed Mikrotik to WRAP boards. However, it will not shut down, and their for prevents soft reboot. This is a known issue with WRAP boards listed in their docs, and can be fixed with a kernal bit change or something like that. But not sure how to do that when using Mikrotik a closed OS. Does any one know how to fix that? Is there a patch or different version of Mikrotik image to deal with this? 2 Our plan is to use WDS, because it allows bridging over the WiFi, so we can pass large packet VLAN traffic successfully. WDS in some methods of deployment has a bad wrap because of double use of bandwdith to perform its common use. However in our case, it doesn't have that draw back. Basically we are using 4 units like a CPE each located on a building within the complex, to interconnect to the 5th unit acting like an AP, where the Ethernet gets plugged into our backhaul radio. WDS should make it jsut look like a big switch. Does anyone know something about WDS that I don't, that would make it disadvantageous to use for my intended purpose? 3 Lastly, some of the existing residential buildings in the complex have Station-server CPEs. I want to avoid replacing these, because they do not need VLAN support. I had some difficulty geting the Mikrotik to communicate with the Station server CPEs if I tried to use WPA encryption. Using WEP worked fine. USing WPA Mikrotik to Mikrotik worked fine. Is there anything I need to do to make Sation server work with Mikrotik both using WPA? Has anyone else made it work, or is it just incompatible. I'm wondering if its a Station Server issue. I also had problems with Station Server connecting to the new Teletronic CPEs with WPA. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 301-515-7774 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Quick questions 2
Also We were unable to bridge a Wifi card to the Ethernet port when in Station mode, and successfully pass traffic. In Mikrotik documentation, it clearly states that this is NOT supported because of a limitation of WiFi. I find it hard to believe that Mikrotik can't be used as a bridged CPE, without routing. I have Station Server boxes, configured as Stations, and have them set as bridges with no problem. Am I missing something? Am I correct that Mikrotiks can't be set up as bridges between Ethernet and Wifi port? For various reasons I do NOT want to route. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Quick questions I'm using Mikrotik live for the first time tommorrow and in a crunch for an 8am install. 1 We flashed Mikrotik to WRAP boards. However, it will not shut down, and their for prevents soft reboot. This is a known issue with WRAP boards listed in their docs, and can be fixed with a kernal bit change or something like that. But not sure how to do that when using Mikrotik a closed OS. Does any one know how to fix that? Is there a patch or different version of Mikrotik image to deal with this? 2 Our plan is to use WDS, because it allows bridging over the WiFi, so we can pass large packet VLAN traffic successfully. WDS in some methods of deployment has a bad wrap because of double use of bandwdith to perform its common use. However in our case, it doesn't have that draw back. Basically we are using 4 units like a CPE each located on a building within the complex, to interconnect to the 5th unit acting like an AP, where the Ethernet gets plugged into our backhaul radio. WDS should make it jsut look like a big switch. Does anyone know something about WDS that I don't, that would make it disadvantageous to use for my intended purpose? 3 Lastly, some of the existing residential buildings in the complex have Station-server CPEs. I want to avoid replacing these, because they do not need VLAN support. I had some difficulty geting the Mikrotik to communicate with the Station server CPEs if I tried to use WPA encryption. Using WEP worked fine. USing WPA Mikrotik to Mikrotik worked fine. Is there anything I need to do to make Sation server work with Mikrotik both using WPA? Has anyone else made it work, or is it just incompatible. I'm wondering if its a Station Server issue. I also had problems with Station Server connecting to the new Teletronic CPEs with WPA. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 301-515-7774 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cool it
John Scrivner wrote: Charles, Enough! I don't care what you think you can do to harm your competitors but you are not doing it on this list server any longer. If you want to slam another show competitor do it offlist or on your own list server. We are not doing that here, Charles. This thread is 100% closed to on-list discussion. If you have a problem with that then contact me off-list or find a new list to play on. Scriv Yeah, it does not look well when you try to bait wispa to give P15 a kick in the nuts. It's not like any of us are stupid. I truly believe that most of the WISPA people appreciate P15 as well and we don't want to get into the middle of you guys. We actually prefer to foster a good working relationship with both you and P15. I personally believe you should work out your differences with them, it'll be better for both of you. Sincerely George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Here's how you get the government to subsidize you....
So here is one way to get subsidized Board tells Verizon: cut rates, step up broadband By David Gram, Associated Press Writer | September 27, 2005 MONTPELIER, Vt. --The Public Service Board ordered the Verizon phone company to cut rates by more than $8 million -- and perhaps as much as $15 million a year, faulting the company on deployment of broadband Internet service and other performance measures. The board said Verizon could *avoid some of the $8.18 million* in rate reductions it had ordered if it used the money to *expand broadband* Internet access on its phone network to areas it currently doesn't serve. The board criticized the company for lagging in this area. The complete article: http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2005/09/27/board_tells_verizon_cut_rates_step_up_broadband/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
Charles Wu wrote: snip All I really meant is WISPA is a GROUP for WISPS operated by WISPs. I'm a strong supporter and member of WISPA. Part-15 is a group for WISPs by an individual. I'm not sure what doesn't make sense about that, thats the way I see it. Nothing wrong with either model, just different. /snip Democracy vs. Dictatorship? Nice correlation :-) Remember, absolute power corrupts... Absolutely -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Quick questions 2
You CAN bridge wireless cards and ethernet... Need to use EOIP tunnels however. Contact Butch Evans... http://www.butchevans.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Quick questions 2 Also We were unable to bridge a Wifi card to the Ethernet port when in Station mode, and successfully pass traffic. In Mikrotik documentation, it clearly states that this is NOT supported because of a limitation of WiFi. I find it hard to believe that Mikrotik can't be used as a bridged CPE, without routing. I have Station Server boxes, configured as Stations, and have them set as bridges with no problem. Am I missing something? Am I correct that Mikrotiks can't be set up as bridges between Ethernet and Wifi port? For various reasons I do NOT want to route. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Quick questions I'm using Mikrotik live for the first time tommorrow and in a crunch for an 8am install. 1 We flashed Mikrotik to WRAP boards. However, it will not shut down, and their for prevents soft reboot. This is a known issue with WRAP boards listed in their docs, and can be fixed with a kernal bit change or something like that. But not sure how to do that when using Mikrotik a closed OS. Does any one know how to fix that? Is there a patch or different version of Mikrotik image to deal with this? 2 Our plan is to use WDS, because it allows bridging over the WiFi, so we can pass large packet VLAN traffic successfully. WDS in some methods of deployment has a bad wrap because of double use of bandwdith to perform its common use. However in our case, it doesn't have that draw back. Basically we are using 4 units like a CPE each located on a building within the complex, to interconnect to the 5th unit acting like an AP, where the Ethernet gets plugged into our backhaul radio. WDS should make it jsut look like a big switch. Does anyone know something about WDS that I don't, that would make it disadvantageous to use for my intended purpose? 3 Lastly, some of the existing residential buildings in the complex have Station-server CPEs. I want to avoid replacing these, because they do not need VLAN support. I had some difficulty geting the Mikrotik to communicate with the Station server CPEs if I tried to use WPA encryption. Using WEP worked fine. USing WPA Mikrotik to Mikrotik worked fine. Is there anything I need to do to make Sation server work with Mikrotik both using WPA? Has anyone else made it work, or is it just incompatible. I'm wondering if its a Station Server issue. I also had problems with Station Server connecting to the new Teletronic CPEs with WPA. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 301-515-7774 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/113 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/113 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I need 100% participation RIGHT NOW! This means YOU!
If you are on other lists please forward this message to every unlicensed list you know of so we get 100% of this industry to do this PLEASE! This will take about 5 minutes of your time and it may make history for our industry. The FCC has had an open Notice of Proposed Rulemaking called 04-186 - Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands. They have tried to stall this proceeding out because the NAB - National Association of Broadcasters does not want anyone to use TV channels but them. In fact the NAB has even stooped to putting out propaganda in the form of a video docu-drama portrayal of a Grandma who cannot watch TV because the evil unlicensed operators were messing up her TV reception with their demonic unlicensed broadband operations (ok I embellished a bit). Here is the deal. If we lose this fight it is not going to be over a lame video showing a grandma losing her TV stations from our efforts. I am gonna kick some NAB ass before I let that happen. GO RIGHT NOW TO: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi A from will appear magically in your web browser. Fill in the blanks with your contact information. Use the guide below for specific lines to help you with items you may not know how to fill in correctly. 1) Where it says Proceeding type in 04-186 2) For the Mail Correspondence to line click on Name. 4) and 5) Leave Blank 11) Check Late Filed check box. 12) Select the drop down for Statement for the Record The other lines not listed above are things like your name which I will assume you guys have covered. :-) Then type your comments about why you need those TV channels for broadband. Give good reasons and do not argue with the FCC. Just tell them why you need the channels. Use good grammar, use correct spelling, be as good a writer as you can even if it is only one sentence. I want to see 500 comments from the WISP industry on this NPRM over the next 5 days. Let's bury them in so many comments in support of this NPRM that the FCC cannot deny us this ruling. Here are some thoughts that may help motivate you to do this right now: How would you like to serve up broadband that operates in 100% of the proposed theoretical coverage area around your AP with no significant line of sight issues? How would you like to use common off the shelf cable modem type devices with minor modifications as CPE for these new magical APs? Then pay attention and do what I ask right now and do not try to micro-manage this effort. Just speak up right now! Today! Not tomorrow! We need solidarity on this one. Let's get it right and get the message out loud and clear right now. Be prepared to hear negative comments about what I am proposing from WiMAX interests because they do not support all of what I am asking. We are not WiMAX radio builders. We are WISPs and we need TV channels right away before Uncle Sam pays billions to the RBOCs to circumvent what we are doing. This is the FCC plan if you do not act fast. The 120 day VOIP 911 order was a clear message that WISPs are not going to have a level playing field in this current FCC administration in many cases. It is time for us to demand what we need to build our industry. Auctioning off the TV channels is not acceptable to us. The FCC needs to hear it many many times if we are to have a chance at this effort. We need those TV channels offered up under the FCC 04-186 NPRM. Support it and let the FCC know why you support it. Tell them about your people who cannot get signal. Tell them about the unacceptable number of towers it takes to cover a few blocks in a heavily treed area using higher frequencies. Tell them how we could maintain higher density modulation schemes without fallback if the signal to noise ratios were more stable as we will have with TV channels. Tell them how spectrum is getting tight because of the massive growth of wireless broadband in your markets and about how unlicensed use of unused television channels will help this. Tell them we will prove that Grandma will never lose her TV signal with our systems regardless of the NAB Sky is falling mentality. Tell them this NOW!. We are going to get 04-186 passed right now or we are going to force the FCC to go ahead and rule against us now while we are the people who brought communications online in gulf affected areas. We have the highest level of political equity we have ever had and I plan to use it while we can. It may well be our only chance to get this spectrum and we disparately need THIS SPECTRUM NOW. When you submit your FCC Statement for the Record you will be the proud owner of an official web page confirmation ID which shows you have actually made a difference for your industry and you will feel like singing America the Beautiful while dancing around wearing nothing but a flat panel antenna like a fig leaf. You will also have good luck if you send a copy of your FCC comment confirmation to the lists to show
RE: [WISPA] I need 100% participation RIGHT NOW! This means YOU!
Just sent mine. Your Confirmation Number is: '2005929130449 ' John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] I need 100% participation RIGHT NOW! This means YOU! If you are on other lists please forward this message to every unlicensed list you know of so we get 100% of this industry to do this PLEASE! This will take about 5 minutes of your time and it may make history for our industry. The FCC has had an open Notice of Proposed Rulemaking called 04-186 - Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands. They have tried to stall this proceeding out because the NAB - National Association of Broadcasters does not want anyone to use TV channels but them. In fact the NAB has even stooped to putting out propaganda in the form of a video docu-drama portrayal of a Grandma who cannot watch TV because the evil unlicensed operators were messing up her TV reception with their demonic unlicensed broadband operations (ok I embellished a bit). Here is the deal. If we lose this fight it is not going to be over a lame video showing a grandma losing her TV stations from our efforts. I am gonna kick some NAB ass before I let that happen. GO RIGHT NOW TO: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi A from will appear magically in your web browser. Fill in the blanks with your contact information. Use the guide below for specific lines to help you with items you may not know how to fill in correctly. 1) Where it says Proceeding type in 04-186 2) For the Mail Correspondence to line click on Name. 4) and 5) Leave Blank 11) Check Late Filed check box. 12) Select the drop down for Statement for the Record The other lines not listed above are things like your name which I will assume you guys have covered. :-) Then type your comments about why you need those TV channels for broadband. Give good reasons and do not argue with the FCC. Just tell them why you need the channels. Use good grammar, use correct spelling, be as good a writer as you can even if it is only one sentence. I want to see 500 comments from the WISP industry on this NPRM over the next 5 days. Let's bury them in so many comments in support of this NPRM that the FCC cannot deny us this ruling. Here are some thoughts that may help motivate you to do this right now: How would you like to serve up broadband that operates in 100% of the proposed theoretical coverage area around your AP with no significant line of sight issues? How would you like to use common off the shelf cable modem type devices with minor modifications as CPE for these new magical APs? Then pay attention and do what I ask right now and do not try to micro-manage this effort. Just speak up right now! Today! Not tomorrow! We need solidarity on this one. Let's get it right and get the message out loud and clear right now. Be prepared to hear negative comments about what I am proposing from WiMAX interests because they do not support all of what I am asking. We are not WiMAX radio builders. We are WISPs and we need TV channels right away before Uncle Sam pays billions to the RBOCs to circumvent what we are doing. This is the FCC plan if you do not act fast. The 120 day VOIP 911 order was a clear message that WISPs are not going to have a level playing field in this current FCC administration in many cases. It is time for us to demand what we need to build our industry. Auctioning off the TV channels is not acceptable to us. The FCC needs to hear it many many times if we are to have a chance at this effort. We need those TV channels offered up under the FCC 04-186 NPRM. Support it and let the FCC know why you support it. Tell them about your people who cannot get signal. Tell them about the unacceptable number of towers it takes to cover a few blocks in a heavily treed area using higher frequencies. Tell them how we could maintain higher density modulation schemes without fallback if the signal to noise ratios were more stable as we will have with TV channels. Tell them how spectrum is getting tight because of the massive growth of wireless broadband in your markets and about how unlicensed use of unused television channels will help this. Tell them we will prove that Grandma will never lose her TV signal with our systems regardless of the NAB Sky is falling mentality. Tell them this NOW!. We are going to get 04-186 passed right now or we are going to force the FCC to go ahead and rule against us now while we are the people who brought communications online in gulf affected areas. We have the highest level of political equity we have ever had and I plan to use it while we can. It may well be our only chance to get this spectrum and we disparately need THIS SPECTRUM NOW. When you submit your FCC Statement for the Record you will be the proud owner
