RE: [WISPA] Google's WIFI- San Francisco

2005-10-02 Thread David E. Smith
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

 I understand that GOOGLE has a proprietary piece of client software.
 Perhaps it's secured.

Are you thinking of the stuff that was (very briefly) available from
wifi.google.com, or something else?

(Note: The above URL now just redirects to the g00gle home page, but there
was stuff available for download there briefly.)

That software wasn't anything special, it was basically a VPN client. The
secure access software just negotiates a random username and password,
then it's completely standard L2TP VPN from there on out. It creates a
vpn.google.com widget in Network Connections (assuming you're using
Windows, of course).

Also, bear in mind that Google is based in the San Fran area, and they may
well be interested primarily/only in that location. (Suppose Google pays
for employees' home Internet access as a corporate perk, which sounds very
much in-character for them. If they can get 2/3 of their employees on this
network, and stop having to pay for a few thousand employees' DSL or cable
modem connections, that's obviously in their and their shareholders' best
interest.)

Until there's some evidence to the contrary, Google bids on wifi contract
for San Fran isn't any more or less newsworthy than any other company
bidding on a contract.

P.S. when did it become popular to hate on Google? I must have missed that
memo, and I need to be up on all the popular trends because I'm hip and
funky and poppin' fresh.

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Google's WIFI- San Francisco

2005-10-02 Thread Dylan Oliver
I downloaded the client, and was most interested to see the tagline in the About window:


Tunc tua res agitur,

Paries cum proximus ardet.


Which my extensive training in classical Latin interprets as:

Then your property is in danger, 

when the nearest wall is burning.
I'd definitely take that as a warning! I'll also do what I can to cash
in on googlemania .. even if it's just to say New! Secured by Google
Access! Download here!

Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC
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[WISPA] Pics Of Wifi

2005-10-02 Thread Paul Hendry








Ola,



 In the process of re-designing
the corporate website and was wondering if anyone had any wifi related photos
(towers, building with kit on, people using laptops in the middle of a field,
engineer on a tower, etc.) they had taken that they would mind us using.



Many thanks,



P.








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RE: [WISPA] Google's WIFI- San Francisco

2005-10-02 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
David,
Yes, poppin' fresh...I miss the Pillsbury Doughboy
along with the pop-pop-fizz-fizz Alka-selzer bubble boy.
I'm hip (didn't like the Frito Bandito).

You've told me more than I knew.  I assumed it was a VPN
but didn't have access to it before it disappeared.

However, a pre-configured VPN is just about the simplest
solution possible considering the easy-to-crack WEP and WPA
problems and the wide variety of older client hardware (such
as Orinoco Silver) that has almost no security.

The new Network World anthology of Wireless Security had 
dozens of articles on all the wireless security mechanisms
and concludes that only the very most sophisticated AAA
systems approach the use of simple VPN.  And a VPN is about
the only option with a motley collection of clients that
need to be secure in a pubic 802.11a/b/g environment.  So, 
I assumed that GOOGLE would provide a client component to 
do that for users.  But, don't know and you've told me
a lot more, as I said, than I knew.

I wonder what their next move will be.  They're a smart
group and their client software (toolbar, desktop search,
etc.) has been easy to install and rock solid for me.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

 I understand that GOOGLE has a proprietary piece of client software.
 Perhaps it's secured.

Are you thinking of the stuff that was (very briefly) available from
wifi.google.com, or something else?

(Note: The above URL now just redirects to the g00gle home page, but there
was stuff available for download there briefly.)

That software wasn't anything special, it was basically a VPN client. The
secure access software just negotiates a random username and password,
then it's completely standard L2TP VPN from there on out. It creates a
vpn.google.com widget in Network Connections (assuming you're using
Windows, of course).

Also, bear in mind that Google is based in the San Fran area, and they may
well be interested primarily/only in that location. (Suppose Google pays
for employees' home Internet access as a corporate perk, which sounds very
much in-character for them. If they can get 2/3 of their employees on this
network, and stop having to pay for a few thousand employees' DSL or cable
modem connections, that's obviously in their and their shareholders' best
interest.)

Until there's some evidence to the contrary, Google bids on wifi contract
for San Fran isn't any more or less newsworthy than any other company
bidding on a contract.

P.S. when did it become popular to hate on Google? I must have missed that
memo, and I need to be up on all the popular trends because I'm hip and
funky and poppin' fresh.

David Smith
MVN.net
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