RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
No, we get full speed on this link. 44.5mbps in each direction at the same time using Mikrotik to test. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, That is the one I was referring to (when I reference YDI ElinkII or was it CX) before it evolved to the current product line. Are you getting full 45 mbps? I heard you could only get around 30 mbps real thoughput. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Hi, We have used a Terabridge 5345 (now Proxim) and have been very happy. 45mbps full duplex, 10/100 ethernet, external antenna connectors, web and snmp management, 2ms latency (even at full load), etc. The 5345 is 5.3ghz and the 5845 is 5.8ghz. The only issue will be the price... brand new they are around $9k plus antennas. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: BPL Announcement in Texas
Will do. Rick Schlander Owner - Sr. Network Engineer email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.mrvnet.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:00 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Re: BPL Announcement in Texas Rick- Can you please repost your message without the graphics? Walter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA - Gallagher leaving
Interesting. Is that good or bad? Was he on our side of the fence or theirs? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA - Gallagher leaving COMMERCE OFFICIAL LEAVING BUSH TEAM [SOURCE: New York Times] via Benton Michael D. Gallagher, the top Bush administration official for telecommunications issues, said on Monday that he had decided to step down early next year. Gallagher, the head of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration at the Commerce Department, has played a major role in negotiations between the wireless industry and the Pentagon over steps to free valuable radio spectrum for use by the industry. He has also led the administration's efforts to beat back proposals by some countries for tighter regulation over the Internet. Earlier this year, Mr. Gallagher was a contender to head the Federal Communications Commission, ultimately losing to Kevin J. Martin. Mr. Gallagher said he would take time off, probably beginning in January, to consider his next career move. He said he expected to remain in Washington. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor Posted on: 12/02/2005 FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as his legal advisor for wireless issues. Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline competition bureau. Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for the law firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed legal issues associated with the provisioning of domestic and international telecommunications services. Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law firm of Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at the University of Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he clerked for Judge William M. Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court. Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from the University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the University of Nebraska College of Law. http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/5ch211017.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see..
We had looked at this... It looks great, but everything is encoded php.. no customization.. We do a bunch of customization to our stuff. Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see.. Looks great from the demo, I need a new NOC monitor...so I was lookin around. http://www.hybodus.com/index.php -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Anytime the budget allows it I run wires. Wireless is great but there's no guarantee of service as it's unlicensed. Yes we can do a very good job by buying good gear and being smart about the design etc. But. Also, anytime you can use wires you free up valuable spectrum for ptmp systems and that's where we really shine eh? Having said that I'd look at some of the FSO options. I've cc'd the boys at Plaintree Systems to see if they can help you out. If you want to get fancy with some switches etc. you could always run a pair of Airaya links and have almost 40 megs full duplex (one system sending and one rec.). Proxim has gear that'll do what you ask, but who wants them these days? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Search on ebay for 38ghz. There are quite a few Pcom complete systems for $600-$800 with antennas. Then you need a DS3 to ethernet converter (like mentioned). Those are $800 for each side. Then you have to have a ROCK SOLID mounting point on each side. The beamwidth on 38ghz with 2ft dishes is like 1 degree. Maximum distance (per spec) is 2 miles. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: $1000 per LINK? How? Heck, I could even justify some of that around here! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see..
So, what is the app you are using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Strittmatter Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see.. We had looked at this... It looks great, but everything is encoded php.. no customization.. We do a bunch of customization to our stuff. Richard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see..
Nagios/Cacti / custom snmp / mikrotik-ssh combo... Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see.. So, what is the app you are using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Strittmatter Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see.. We had looked at this... It looks great, but everything is encoded php.. no customization.. We do a bunch of customization to our stuff. Richard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] USF fund issues
Out here the telco gets $109 per month per pots line in usf funds. I think that's why they require a pots line in order to have dsl service. Without the pots line subsidy they could never afford to offer their $30 dsl service free install and all! USF should either go away or be made fair and be ok'd for all of us. Wireless, bpl, dsl, cable etc. Make it an infrastructure issue or nothing at all. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] USF fund issues What they really need to do is just add WISPs as logical beneficiaries to USF funds, and the problem would be fixed. Then who cares who would pay into it. It will never be possible to add VOIP providers as USPF fund recipients for Rural area, because its near impossible to control where the VOIP service purchased will be used geographically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] USF fund issues I thought I'd take a few minutes to comment on the USF and other attempts to tax VoIP as if it were a fresh new source of tax revenue for Democrats everywhere. Of course just like the last draft from a congressional staffer re-writing the Telecom act of 1996 (over 300 pages) this FCC document is 30 pages. More light reading over a long beer tonight, why do these lawyers continue to get paid by the word so they produce ridiculously long documents that say the same thing over and over but leave ambiguity so they don't have to define a clear role. My USF comments will summarize that this fund being used for so much more than rural deployment should be cut back to it's original use but if we have to fund it then we get a piece of it when we deploy into the Rural Areas ourselves. Beyond that concession we should be receiving credits for moving broadband into rural areas including exemption from the USF for saving their ridiculous subsidizing as we bring VoIP into those previously funded areas. This would save the need for them to subsidize anything. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. Ps. I keep getting the moderator must approve, I'm not a member. Gee really? -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:16 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] USF fund issues Did anyone ever take this issue on? We have only about 2 more weeks to make comments. marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] USF fund issues Hi All, I assume we'll want to file on this issue http://www.broadbandwirelessreports.com/pressreleases/files/DOC-262639A1 .pdf Here's the actual nprm http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-205A1.pdf If anyone really understands the ins and outs of this, please speak up. I'd ask Kris Twoomey but I don't have his addy on my laptop. Can someone please forward? thanks, marlon ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
On 12/20/05, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A.OK.I've watch for them some but never seen any actually show up. I see you're going for one now! Good luck bidding. Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
H. Haven't run into that yet. As long as we're showing growth their working with us. Not as well as I'd like but that's not always bad either. We're smaller than we could have been, but we're also financially stable. Nothing at all wrong with that. As broadband prices keep falling those tied into for cpe are gonna find it harder and harder to compete. What are you going to do in 3ish years when you have to pull all of the cpe and put in the next greatest thing? When the prices for broadband are sub $30 is most places? (yes, that's coming, fast.) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Hello John, please let me know if I can help you in any way. You can visit our website for product information: www.plaintree.com -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 20, 2005 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Jason Lee Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Anytime the budget allows it I run wires. Wireless is great but there's no guarantee of service as it's unlicensed. Yes we can do a very good job by buying good gear and being smart about the design etc. But. Also, anytime you can use wires you free up valuable spectrum for ptmp systems and that's where we really shine eh? Having said that I'd look at some of the FSO options. I've cc'd the boys at Plaintree Systems to see if they can help you out. If you want to get fancy with some switches etc. you could always run a pair of Airaya links and have almost 40 megs full duplex (one system sending and one rec.). Proxim has gear that'll do what you ask, but who wants them these days? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
60ghz Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Line of Credit was:Canopy buying group prices
Point of Order here guys: Not to pick on anyone here, just please note this. When a subject of a thread has significantly changed from its original content the thread name should be changed accordingly. I attempted this earlier by changing the thread name to Line of Credit as that was the subject at hand. We had an earlier complaint from another subscriber of this list that too much unnecessary quoted text was being left in messages. This is easy to fix and we need to start doing it. Just because memory is cheap does not mean we need to forget how to keep our messages clean and easy to navigate. If a message has been replied to 10 times then it is reasonable to assume you can delete the content from the 7 oldest posts usually. Email is a difficult medium for handling as much information as we have. Let's try to simplify it with better housekeeping practices such as proper thread identification and with cleaning off quoted text that is no longer relevant to a post. Thanks guys, Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] USF fund issues
Marlon, Where can one find out what the telco gets in usf funding? I'd like to know what the rate is around here... Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Out here the telco gets $109 per month per pots line in usf funds. I think that's why they require a pots line in order to have dsl service. Without the pots line subsidy they could never afford to offer their $30 dsl service free install and all! USF should either go away or be made fair and be ok'd for all of us. Wireless, bpl, dsl, cable etc. Make it an infrastructure issue or nothing at all. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
This help? http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bssbrftog=1fstype=1from=R10satitle=38+ghzsacat=-1%26catref%3DC6bs=Searchsargn=-1%26saslc%3D2sadis=200fpos=ZIP%2FPostalftrt=1ftrv=1saprclo=saprchi=fsop=1fsoo=1 I ebayed 38 ghz Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: A. OK. I've watch for them some but never seen any actually show up. Thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Search on ebay for 38ghz. There are quite a few Pcom complete systems for $600-$800 with antennas. Then you need a DS3 to ethernet converter (like mentioned). Those are $800 for each side. Then you have to have a ROCK SOLID mounting point on each side. The beamwidth on 38ghz with 2ft dishes is like 1 degree. Maximum distance (per spec) is 2 miles. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: $1000 per LINK? How? Heck, I could even justify some of that around here! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] skypilot?
Gentlemen, is anyone using this product? looks good on paper, doesn't it? Mario --- [This e-mail was scanned for viruses by Webjogger's AntiVirus Protection System] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] older CPE
Marlon, We have been doing wireless since 1997. Up until about a year ago, we still had gear running that was installed in 1999. The logical plan is we move the older, slower gear to the more remote areas, and upgrade the core system as needed. However, we started installing Trango 5.8ghz over three years ago, and are still installing it today. :) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: H. Haven't run into that yet. As long as we're showing growth their working with us. Not as well as I'd like but that's not always bad either. We're smaller than we could have been, but we're also financially stable. Nothing at all wrong with that. As broadband prices keep falling those tied into for cpe are gonna find it harder and harder to compete. What are you going to do in 3ish years when you have to pull all of the cpe and put in the next greatest thing? When the prices for broadband are sub $30 is most places? (yes, that's coming, fast.) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access,
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
He can do a Proxim GigaLink for $10K. Fiber interface, 1.25Gb. -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Who can do one for $10K? However, isn't Proxim's gear 60 Ghz, right? There is a big difference between the capabilties of 60Ghz vs 70Ghz of Gigabeam. 60Ghz is effected much larger by Oxygen absorbion. so... 60Ghz- reliable to half mile. 70Ghz - reliable to 2.5 miles. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? He can do a Proxim GigaLink for $10K. Fiber interface, 1.25Gb. -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Travis, That is an interesting point. You are full of all sorts of clever ideas. But how do you get past the, need to be in business for two years to get financing, problem? How do you manage that on the books? Doesn't it cost you more than you are saving with the Lease terms? For a while I was doing cell sites (payables) through a seperate company than Receivables (Subscribers) for liabilty reasons. B ut I stopped it was to big a pain in the neck to take care of two setes of books, and instantly at a glance, see how the company is doing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:*
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit.
Tom and Travis. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopy threads too. :) Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, Like many on this list, we started out using personal credit cards. And in the beginning, we did make the subs pay for the equipment. However, we've been in business since 1995 and doing wireless since 1997. Also, you have to be willing to sign a personal guarantee on the leases, at least in the beginning. But really, that's not any different than any bank, which will do the same. You will also have to start small (maybe $10k or $15k) for the first lease, and get some payment history behind you. Then as time goes on, they will just get easier and easier. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, That is an interesting point. You are full of all sorts of clever ideas. But how do you get past the, need to be in business for two years to get financing, problem? How do you manage that on the books? Doesn't it cost you more than you are saving with the Lease terms? For a while I was doing cell sites (payables) through a seperate company than Receivables (Subscribers) for liabilty reasons. B ut I stopped it was to big a pain in the neck to take care of two setes of books, and instantly at a glance, see how the company is doing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Tom DeReggi wrote: Who can do one for $10K? However, isn't Proxim's gear 60 Ghz, right? There is a big difference between the capabilties of 60Ghz vs 70Ghz of Gigabeam. 60Ghz is effected much larger by Oxygen absorbion. so... 60Ghz- reliable to half mile. 70Ghz - reliable to 2.5 miles. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Agreed...But I thought John said 1500' ??? And how many do you want??? :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit.
On 12/20/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tom and Travis.If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested.When I do a search for line of credit in 6months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopythreads too.:)Brian. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you stop quoting irrelevant text like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't want to look at all that garbage. :PBest,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit. NOW title of threads
Dude, it was not too much to ask. Yet people go along posting in off topic threads. To me, it seems like a good idea to title threads to specific topics. If you don't like it, whatever. My 2 cents. Brian Dylan Oliver wrote: On 12/20/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tom and Travis.If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested.When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopy threads too.:) Brian. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you stop quoting irrelevant text like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't want to look at all that garbage. :P Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
I would second that- you can usually find good quality ( stratex for example ) used backhauls on ebay for around a few grand. - Jeff On Dec 20, 2005, at 3:35 AM, G.Villarini wrote: John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DS3 to Ethernet Converters
I just ordered 2 of those PCOM links. I will report how they do for us. I need some DS3 to Ethernet Converters. What is my best source on these? Thanks, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DS3 to Ethernet Converters
Here are some 6 ports units http://cgi.ebay.com/Net-To-Net-DNE4500-6DC-Ethernet-to-DS3-T3-Converter_W0QQ itemZ5837756909QQcategoryZ86726QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:15 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DS3 to Ethernet Converters I just ordered 2 of those PCOM links. I will report how they do for us. I need some DS3 to Ethernet Converters. What is my best source on these? Thanks, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitoring you need to see..
Hybodus isn't very flexible or customizable.. I have used it but I much prefer our nagios+cacti combo. Mark Rick Smith wrote: Looks great from the demo, I need a new NOC monitor...so I was lookin around. http://www.hybodus.com/index.php -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
